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shawnkytonk 06-07-2021 04:54 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 921685)
Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Good grief. I didn't get anything of that nature from his post.

jeanpierre 06-07-2021 05:30 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921585)
What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

:confused:

So you're citing college statistics as well?

Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 05:39 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921689)
So you're citing college statistics as well?

Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues.

So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that?

Well?

jeanpierre 06-07-2021 06:00 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921690)
If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues.

So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that?

Well?

We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner...

Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)...

Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured...

Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner...

From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston...

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 06:13 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921691)
We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner...

Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)...

Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured...

Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner...

From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston...

And we stress a small sample size for Hill with half his games started against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in Atlanta and another against a team without a QB on their gameday roster. The other team he faced had was a loser in the worst conference in the entire league ... and he lost to them.

Sorry, JP. You have to have more ammo than that sorry crap.

Anything else?

jeanpierre 06-08-2021 01:15 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921693)
And we stress a small sample size for Hill with half his games started against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in Atlanta and another against a team without a QB on their gameday roster. The other team he faced had was a loser in the worst conference in the entire league ... and he lost to them.

Sorry, JP. You have to have more ammo than that sorry crap.

Anything else?

Comprehension is not your strength; you literally restated my argument that we need to see Hill have more snaps as he's had too small a sample size to properly assess him...

Wow, that was easy and fun to let you out-wit yourself, again...

Boston Saint 06-08-2021 04:45 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921691)
We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner...

Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)...

Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured...

Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner...

From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston...

I’m not following that logic. One of Winston’s 4 first games in his rookie season was a Win against the Saints where he had a QBR of 114+. The Saints had a better record that year than any of the teams Hill beat last year. Now, that performance is better than anything Hill has done so, by your reasoning, Winston has a higher ceiling because he had a higher QBR in one of
his first 4 starts than Hill did in any of his first four starts. Hill also has never had a 3 TD, 400 yard passing game before...Winston has. Winston’s 4 best games are better than Hills 4 best games. So, how does Hill have a higher ceiling?

And how do you know we’ve seen the best Winston has to offer? Tampa has not been a historically successful franchise and where you say a 40 YO QB took his team to the SB I can say it took the future HOF/winningest/best QB to ever play the game to unseat him. You don’t think a 27 YO QB could get better playing under Payton? Brees did.

And I will repeat that I am not pulling for either player. Makes no
difference to me who emerges as starter. I hope and expect them to produce. I am just surprised at the willingness some have to write Winston off as done. Multiple HOF QBs have demonstrated worse years than Winston has produced. But, oh well. Time will tell.

AsylumGuido 06-08-2021 06:57 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921708)
Comprehension is not your strength; you literally restated my argument that we need to see Hill have more snaps as he's had too small a sample size to properly assess him...

Wow, that was easy and fun to let you out-wit yourself, again...

My comprehension is quite strong, thank you. He has had coming up on four years worth of snaps in practice to be accessed. That's where most QB's are accessed. When on a roster the QB deemed the better starter under the circumstances will get the starts. Due to Winston's short time in the system that was Hill last season. Now the most prepared will start in 2021. My hopes are that it will be Winston because it makes the team better as whole and that's what's most important, don't you think?

Or is that not important to you?

When and IF Hill does gain enough confidence from an NFL coaching staff to become a full-time starter the rest of us will see what it is you claim he has going for him. THAT is a big if in my opinion.

WW_Who_Dat 06-08-2021 08:21 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason.

TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently.

They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN.

Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position.

AsylumGuido 06-08-2021 08:55 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 921714)
There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason.

TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently.

They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN.

Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position.

Agree 100%! That will all make the Saints a better team on offense and special teams than they would be with Hill under center and Winston sitting the bench.


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