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TheOak 06-07-2021 04:31 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921585)
What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

:confused:

Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position?

Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido?

I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game.

gosaints1 06-07-2021 08:23 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 921643)
...I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up...

Facts right here, it’s how I feel also.

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 09:21 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 921643)
Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position?

Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido?

I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game.

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 921651)
Facts right here, it’s how I feel also.

Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

Can either of you argue that point?

And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.

Thirty3 06-07-2021 01:32 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921585)
What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

:confused:

College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

Boston Saint 06-07-2021 02:11 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 921673)
College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But,
time will tell.

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 03:30 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 921673)
College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

You are all in on Hill's completion percentage in the first four games. That's all you have mentioned as a positive. I repeat, he was in a vanilla offense playing against one of the very worst defenses in the NFL for two of those games. One of the other two games was against a team decimated by COVID and the last, which he lost, against yet another below average team.

What is so great about dumping off high percentage passes in a vanilla offense against crappy competition? You are hanging everything on that. Sorry, but that is nothing to hang one's hat on.

Tell you what. If you are SO confident that Winston sucks so bad and Hill is the next coming of QB Jesus, I'll bet $40 you that Winston starts more games this season than Hill. Free money for me. As much as I like Hill as an athlete and a person I have seen nothing from him that shows me he can be a successful pro at QB. And as much as I have issues with Winston as a person I have seen that he can be very effective as a professional QB. Even outstanding at times.

Afraid?

PS. Yes, college stats are irrelevant, but you are the one that said the following in this thread ...

"PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. "

Check your history. Taysom never broke a single Steve Young record nor did he break anyone's record at BYU. I seriously don't see why you are so enamored by Hill, unless it is just that you hate Winston so badly for some reason.

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 03:32 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921677)
Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But,
time will tell.

Yet thirty3 claims that Winston will lose his job before mid-season if/when he gets named the starter.

That's laughable.

jnormand 06-07-2021 04:21 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921592)
I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments.

Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 04:29 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 921685)
Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Sparked a nerve there, huh? Boston didn't call anyone a racist. He was simply wondering what any logical person might wonder.

Boston Saint 06-07-2021 04:52 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 921685)
Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Did you read my post? Who did I call a racist?


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