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Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921715)

Agree 100%! That will all make the Saints a better team on offense and special teams than they would be with Hill under center and Winston sitting the bench.

The only thing is Book being an emergency QB if Winston and hill go own. Lordy don’t know if my Book would be ready for that. But we don’t need a vet like trev sem. Being 3rd up neither. With a vet min we can’t afford

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Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 921717)

If Winston and Hill both go down it doesn't matter anyway. Things would be bleak.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 921717)

I understand the enthusiasm on Book however he has to make the team first.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

Saints crushed for not naming Jameis Winston as their starting quarterback

by Leigh Oleszczak

The biggest storyline with the New Orleans Saints this offseason is their quarterback situation, which isn’t something they’ve been able to say for quite some time. The job is between former No. 1 overall pick Jameis Winston and offensive weapon Taysom Hill with Winston being the favorite to land the job.

Chris Rolling of Bleacher Report said that the Saints failing to name Winston as their official starting quarterback is one of the worst decisions in the NFL since the NFL Draft took place in late April. Here’s more from Rolling’s article:

There are facets to the problem, too. A quarterback controversy could be a distraction. More importantly, it could harm both if Hill takes first-team reps from Winston, never mind the offense as everyone tries to adjust to two different players. Splitting critical first-team reps over the summer could do more harm than good. If the Saints let this drag on, the transition from Brees could face-plant.

It’s hard to argue with this, but we all know that Sean Payton loves him some Taysom Hill. This is exactly why he shocked the NFL world by letting Hill start in Drew Brees’ absence last year despite Winston essentially being brought in for that very reason.

Winston previously played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for five seasons before being allowed to leave in free agency and joining the Saints in 2020. Winston was coming off a season where he threw for over 5,100 yards and 33 touchdowns but the 30 interceptions are why he was no longer in Tampa’s future plans.

Meanwhile, Hill has been with the Saints organization since 2017 and transformed into one of the most intriguing players in the league with the role he’s carved out for himself. He throws the ball, runs with the ball, catches the ball, and plays special teams as well.

Hill honestly can do it all and while it’s unfair to use his strengths against him, being the swiss army knife is exactly why Winston needs to be the quarterback. When Hill is taken out of his offensive weapon role, the Saints’ offense becomes a lot less dangerous.

Also, Winston is an experienced starter and while yes, the interceptions need to be trimmed down a lot, he’s shown he can be a reliable quarterback and keep his team in games with his arm. The Saints should have named Winston as their starter but Payton isn’t going to do that. He wants both guys to battle for the job and give them each a fair shake at winning it.

While I agree with Rollins’ assessment for the most part, if the Saints don’t get much out of either of these guys in 2021, they can turn to next year’s draft and try to add one of the quarterbacks entering the league. That’d be their best play at that point.

For now, however, Winston should be the team’s starter and hopefully, Payton doesn’t drag this out longer than needed.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921720)

Oh wow, Crushed, omg, don't think we'll ever recover if *checks name* Chris Rolling of Bleacher Report thinks we've messed up! Call the season guys, that's it, we are done for!!

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921719)

I understand the enthusiasm on Book however he has to make the team first.

It’s business not enthusiasm K, SP ML JI drafted him liked what they saw on tape ... could be if JW goes down TH is the first option to step in ... But Book could be a quick study could step in and allow the offense to have all its skill players in play and having to be accounted for. SP given the chance likes to stress the defense as often as possible.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 921734)

Let's see what happens at camp sir. All I'm saying is that Ian has a mountain climb with deficiencies but from what I'm hearing from him is will power & a competitor. Saints have had tons of 4th, 5th, 6th rounders who don't even make the roster.

Regardless, I won't dismiss him or his potential. If he earns a roster spot, terrific but if he doesn't … it only cost us a 4th round selection.

I like Ian B. To me, this pick is not a steal, but a solid bet.

Camp awaits.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921712)

I’m not following that logic. One of Winston’s 4 first games in his rookie season was a Win against the Saints where he had a QBR of 114+. The Saints had a better record that year than any of the teams Hill beat last year. Now, that performance is better than anything Hill has done so, by your reasoning, Winston has a higher ceiling because he had a higher QBR in one of
his first 4 starts than Hill did in any of his first four starts. Hill also has never had a 3 TD, 400 yard passing game before...Winston has. Winston’s 4 best games are better than Hills 4 best games. So, how does Hill have a higher ceiling?

And how do you know we’ve seen the best Winston has to offer? Tampa has not been a historically successful franchise and where you say a 40 YO QB took his team to the SB I can say it took the future HOF/winningest/best QB to ever play the game to unseat him. You don’t think a 27 YO QB could get better playing under Payton? Brees did.

And I will repeat that I am not pulling for either player. Makes no
difference to me who emerges as starter. I hope and expect them to produce. I am just surprised at the willingness some have to write Winston off as done. Multiple HOF QBs have demonstrated worse years than Winston has produced. But, oh well. Time will tell.

Taysom had three of four games graded above 100; not just one game as you cited Winston had...

And your citation of Jameis Winston having a one game of a QBR of 114, against the Saints, and the Saints having a better record was less than, complete...

...the Saints were 31st in Team and Passing Defense that year; until Marshon and Mr. Marcus arrived, we had several seasons at the bottom in Pass Def...

The logic I cited is more than sound, you may not like the facts or where it takes you, but it's sound; in three of four games Hill performed well...

And Sean Payton stated in the one game (vs Denver), if Sean is to be believed, the purposely held back the playbook, playcalling against a reserve QB...

Believe his words were something to the effect by design...

And Taysom simply needs more games to gain experience, to be tested vs a larger sample size to fully make an informed decision as to whether he can be the guy...

Jameis had over five seasons in the league; his last team changed to a 43yo QB who has considerably less, diminished physical talent, and they won a SuperBowl...

What has Winston won since entering the NFL?

If it were me, I'd play Taysom a full season, re-evaluate; if the team tanks, you move up in the draft for a franchise QB; if he takes off, you reap the benefits...

With Winston, easily see another three-four years of mediocrity...

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921736)

I was demonstrating the usefulness of a small sample size. So far Hill has shown that he can be a good game manager type against some lower opponents when he has a sold O line protecting him and players like Thomas and Kamara to support him. Nothing more so far. He’s not shown he can lead a team with his arm. Winston HAS shown he can do that in games. You also didn’t address my point about him getting better joining up wit Payton at 27 like Brees did. Why are you all fired-up certain that Winston can’t improve on what he’s shown?

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

Training camp can't get here soon enough :p.