Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints

AsylumGuido · 06-27-2021, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mannings were up front they didn't want Eli playing in San Diego because of the way that franchise was run - Lessons from Archie Manning's career ruined by John Mecom...

San Diego knew this and were looking at Rivers also; still selected Manning knowing they'd get Rivers and picks to boot - Saving face, Salvaging a Disadvantaged Hand...

Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it...

Mismanagement and an inconsistent QB that hadn't reached his potential. Sounds a lot like Tampa Bay and Winston, doesn't it?

jeanpierre · 06-27-2021, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Mismanagement and an inconsistent QB that hadn't reached his potential. Sounds a lot like Tampa Bay and Winston, doesn't it?

Mismanagement? #WTF?!?

Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl?

gosaints1 · 06-27-2021, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mismanagement? #WTF?!?

Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl?

To be fair jp, it’s my belief that their Super Bowl win had very little to do with Tom Brady. I think they drafted well defensively over the past couple of years, post Winston, and it’s just now paying off for them. Entirely reasonable argument can be made that the Bucs, with the teams lined up the way they did, with Winston at the helm, would have won the SB also. Others may not agree with that belief, but I feel it’s a reasonable argument…, unprovable, but reasonable. That defense was legit, it destroyed the Saints offense.

jeanpierre · 06-27-2021, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

To be fair jp, it’s my belief that their Super Bowl win had very little to do with Tom Brady. I think they drafted well defensively over the past couple of years, post Winston, and it’s just now paying off for them. Entirely reasonable argument can be made that the Bucs, with the teams lined up the way they did, with Winston at the helm, would have won the SB also. Others may not agree with that belief, but I feel it’s a reasonable argument…, unprovable, but reasonable. That defense was legit, it destroyed the Saints offense.

So what percentage of influence would place on the outcome of victory based on QB play?

Because this discussion is about to get real interesting in seven months where no less than four other teams just changed their starting QBs...

Tom Brady's experience and poise was absolutely the difference in TB getting to and winning the SuperBowl; yes, a great defense was also necessary...

Something Sean Payton took years to figure out, accept after winning only one Superbowl and getting rid of the only competent D-coordinator he had at that point...

Boston Saint · 06-27-2021, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mismanagement? #WTF?!?

Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl?

You can’t argue that the stars sort of lined up for Tampa last year JP. They had gone 13 seasons without a playoff appearance before last year and finished last in the division 8 times in a 10 year stretch. It’s fair to say they have been a poorly managed franchise.

jeanpierre · 06-28-2021, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You can’t argue that the stars sort of lined up for Tampa last year JP. They had gone 13 seasons without a playoff appearance before last year and finished last in the division 8 times in a 10 year stretch. It’s fair to say they have been a poorly managed franchise.

Yeah, Bucs signed a better, proven quarterback that was available and won the Superbowl - Imagine That!

Lord_Saint83 · 06-28-2021, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mismanagement? #WTF?!?

Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl?

New coaches do that all the time. They have a guy in mind be it a rookie or free agent. Harbaugh with Alex Smith and keapernick and Payton with Brooks and Brees to name a couple. I don’t know why a lot of people are shi*ting all over Winston. The kid has a lot of upside and Sean is the one coach that can get him to wire his head and arse together. Am I saying he’ll be drew no. They are two different styles of qb’s. Winston is a gunslinger and Drew’s a precision qb. Give Winston a year and if he does good, great. If not then move on.

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2021, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mismanagement? #WTF?!?

Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl?

Yes, mismanagement. They had just come off of an eleven year stretch with NINE losing seasons! They were going through staff changes left and right. I don't blame Winston for wanting to get out of there.

That IS reality, JP.

Yes, they signed Brady, but they also signed a ton of other free agents. They went all in. Winston wasn't trash. He just wasn't as good as his replacement. Who is, right?

saintsfan1976 · 06-28-2021, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mismanagement? #WTF?!?

Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl?

To be fair there was much more at play than simply swapping QBs

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2021, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

To be fair there was much more at play than simply swapping QBs

Reality is escaping JP in this case.

06-27-2021, 12:28 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mannings were up front they didn't want Eli playing in San Diego because of the way that franchise was run - Lessons from Archie Manning's career ruined by John Mecom... San Diego knew this and were looking at Rivers also; still selected Manning knowing they'd get Rivers and picks to boot - Saving face, Salvaging a Disadvantaged Hand... Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it... Mismanagement and an inconsistent QB that hadn't reached his potential. Sounds a lot like Tampa Bay and Winston, doesn't it?

06-27-2021, 07:23 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Mismanagement and an inconsistent QB that hadn't reached his potential. Sounds a lot like Tampa Bay and Winston, doesn't it? Mismanagement? #WTF?!? Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? jnormand likes this.

06-27-2021, 08:56 PM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mismanagement? #WTF?!? Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? To be fair jp, it’s my belief that their Super Bowl win had very little to do with Tom Brady. I think they drafted well defensively over the past couple of years, post Winston, and it’s just now paying off for them. Entirely reasonable argument can be made that the Bucs, with the teams lined up the way they did, with Winston at the helm, would have won the SB also. Others may not agree with that belief, but I feel it’s a reasonable argument…, unprovable, but reasonable. That defense was legit, it destroyed the Saints offense. AsylumGuido likes this.
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06-27-2021, 09:30 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 To be fair jp, it’s my belief that their Super Bowl win had very little to do with Tom Brady. I think they drafted well defensively over the past couple of years, post Winston, and it’s just now paying off for them. Entirely reasonable argument can be made that the Bucs, with the teams lined up the way they did, with Winston at the helm, would have won the SB also. Others may not agree with that belief, but I feel it’s a reasonable argument…, unprovable, but reasonable. That defense was legit, it destroyed the Saints offense. So what percentage of influence would place on the outcome of victory based on QB play? Because this discussion is about to get real interesting in seven months where no less than four other teams just changed their starting QBs... Tom Brady's experience and poise was absolutely the difference in TB getting to and winning the SuperBowl; yes, a great defense was also necessary... Something Sean Payton took years to figure out, accept after winning only one Superbowl and getting rid of the only competent D-coordinator he had at that point... gosaints1 likes this.

06-27-2021, 10:29 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mismanagement? #WTF?!? Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? You can’t argue that the stars sort of lined up for Tampa last year JP. They had gone 13 seasons without a playoff appearance before last year and finished last in the division 8 times in a 10 year stretch. It’s fair to say they have been a poorly managed franchise. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

06-28-2021, 10:27 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint You can’t argue that the stars sort of lined up for Tampa last year JP. They had gone 13 seasons without a playoff appearance before last year and finished last in the division 8 times in a 10 year stretch. It’s fair to say they have been a poorly managed franchise. *Yeah, Bucs signed a better, proven quarterback that was available and won the Superbowl - Imagine That!*

06-28-2021, 11:23 AM	#7
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mismanagement? #WTF?!? Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? New coaches do that all the time. They have a guy in mind be it a rookie or free agent. Harbaugh with Alex Smith and keapernick and Payton with Brooks and Brees to name a couple. I don’t know why a lot of people are shi*ting all over Winston. The kid has a lot of upside and Sean is the one coach that can get him to wire his head and arse together. Am I saying he’ll be drew no. They are two different styles of qb’s. Winston is a gunslinger and Drew’s a precision qb. Give Winston a year and if he does good, great. If not then move on. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 4 others like this.
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06-28-2021, 03:52 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mismanagement? #WTF?!? Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? Yes, mismanagement. They had just come off of an eleven year stretch with NINE losing seasons! They were going through staff changes left and right. I don't blame Winston for wanting to get out of there. That IS reality, JP. Yes, they signed Brady, but they also signed a ton of other free agents. They went all in. Winston wasn't trash. He just wasn't as good as his replacement. Who is, right?

06-28-2021, 04:02 PM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,021 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mismanagement? #WTF?!? Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? To be fair there was much more at play than simply swapping QBs AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II, gosaints1 and 1 others like this.

06-28-2021, 06:07 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 To be fair there was much more at play than simply swapping QBs Reality is escaping JP in this case.

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