Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints

jeanpierre · 06-29-2021, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

To be fair there was much more at play than simply swapping QBs

Then ask that anyone name the other positions that were swapped that had as much an impact...

Other key moves, pieces had been made or were already in place...

K Major · 06-27-2021, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it...[/B]

Never knew that.

Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different.

Now he's headed to Canton

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AsylumGuido · 06-27-2021, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Never knew that.

Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different.

Now he's headed to Canton .

Yup. In his third season, 2003. He started the first eight games at 1-7 and was benched for Doug Flutie. He came back in week 15 (game 14) and started every game other than the last game of the 2004 season when they had already clinched for the rest of his time there.

gosaints1 · 06-27-2021, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Never knew that.

Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different.

Now he's headed to Canton .

Headed to Canton…, built on a Black & Gold Legacy. Here’s my McDonald’s quote for the world: “I’m loving it”. The fact that I can needle Nick Saban about his failed NFL experiment, regardless of whether picking DB#9 up was his call or not, only makes me smile more. Seriously…, loving it.

Good day for the B&G when the first ballot HOF’er is enshrined!

iceshack149 · 06-27-2021, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Actually, the Chargers did pass on Philip Rivers in the 2004 draft. They selected Eli Manning, instead.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mannings were up front they didn't want Eli playing in San Diego because of the way that franchise was run - Lessons from Archie Manning's career ruined by John Mecom...

San Diego knew this and were looking at Rivers also; still selected Manning knowing they'd get Rivers and picks to boot - Saving face, Salvaging a Disadvantaged Hand...

Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it...

Exactly.

jnormand · 06-27-2021, 07:35 PM

You guys are arguing with someone that refuses to see anyone's logic except his own. Which most of the time is based on popular opinion or what makes him look smart. Lol

Boston Saint · 06-28-2021, 12:50 PM

I say that all things being equal money and contract status (I know it’s not), there are probably only 5-8 teams in the league that would have taken their QB over Brady straight up to start the 2020 season with the COVID protocols. To use the Bucs signing Brady as a mark against Winston is a stretch in my mind. Both were free agents. I’d have signed Brady over Winston for a year or two deal to chase a SB as well. Same as Denver did with Manning and Chiefs tried to do with Montana. If you want to say that proves Winston is a crap QB, then OK. We shall see.

Rugby Saint II · 06-29-2021, 11:24 AM

All we can do is wait and see what Payton can do with whoever wins the job.

Boston Saint · 06-29-2021, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

All we can do is wait and see what Payton can do with whoever wins the job.

And complain about it before hand! 🤪

The Dude · 06-29-2021, 12:41 PM

Winston may turn out great but we have problems that go way beyond Qb. Even if Winston is spectacular it may not be enough to get us into the playoffs.
Look at all those 7-9 seasons we had when Drew was still in his prime.
I think that’s about where we are.

06-29-2021, 02:29 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 To be fair there was much more at play than simply swapping QBs Then ask that anyone name the other positions that were swapped that had as much an impact... Other key moves, pieces had been made or were already in place...

06-27-2021, 12:28 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it...[/B] Never knew that. Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different. Now he's headed to Canton . jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Never knew that. Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different. Now he's headed to Canton . Yup. In his third season, 2003. He started the first eight games at 1-7 and was benched for Doug Flutie. He came back in week 15 (game 14) and started every game other than the last game of the 2004 season when they had already clinched for the rest of his time there.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Never knew that. Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different. Now he's headed to Canton . Headed to Canton…, built on a Black & Gold Legacy. Here’s my McDonald’s quote for the world: “I’m loving it”. The fact that I can needle Nick Saban about his failed NFL experiment, regardless of whether picking DB#9 up was his call or not, only makes me smile more. Seriously…, loving it. Good day for the B&G when the first ballot HOF’er is enshrined! K Major and Boston Saint like this.
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06-27-2021, 04:11 PM	#5
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,334 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Actually, the Chargers did pass on Philip Rivers in the 2004 draft. They selected Eli Manning, instead. Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mannings were up front they didn't want Eli playing in San Diego because of the way that franchise was run - Lessons from Archie Manning's career ruined by John Mecom... San Diego knew this and were looking at Rivers also; still selected Manning knowing they'd get Rivers and picks to boot - Saving face, Salvaging a Disadvantaged Hand... Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it... Exactly.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,735	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints You guys are arguing with someone that refuses to see anyone's logic except his own. Which most of the time is based on popular opinion or what makes him look smart. Lol

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints I say that all things being equal money and contract status (I know it’s not), there are probably only 5-8 teams in the league that would have taken their QB over Brady straight up to start the 2020 season with the COVID protocols. To use the Bucs signing Brady as a mark against Winston is a stretch in my mind. Both were free agents. I’d have signed Brady over Winston for a year or two deal to chase a SB as well. Same as Denver did with Manning and Chiefs tried to do with Montana. If you want to say that proves Winston is a crap QB, then OK. We shall see. AsylumGuido and Lord_Saint83 like this.
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II All we can do is wait and see what Payton can do with whoever wins the job. And complain about it before hand! 🤪 Rugby Saint II likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Winston may turn out great but we have problems that go way beyond Qb. Even if Winston is spectacular it may not be enough to get us into the playoffs. Look at all those 7-9 seasons we had when Drew was still in his prime. I think that’s about where we are.
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