Saints Are Offering Refunds

Flipx99 · 08-20-2021, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron.

Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason.

No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you.

Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint.

For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans.

If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2021, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you.

Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint.

For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans.

If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.

I am absolutely viewing this from the viewpoint of the fans. I am both one of those fans AND a season ticket holder and I am thrilled that the proof of vaccination or a negative test is required. Out of 70,000 fans only 13 called in to get a refund on their tickets. That means most all of the rest really don't have a huge problem with it.

As for someone that has had COVID that didn't want to get the vaccine, that's fine, but they should be willing to present a negative test result, right? If not there is a problem. If not they shouldn't be allowed in.

As for vaccines providing a greater protection than the antibodies from a previous case of COVID, the data set is huge with over 175 million Americans fully vaccinated. It is quite easy to compare the breakthrough cases of vaccinated individuals with the reinfections of persons that had previously had COVID. Do a quick search.

Here's one from John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published in May 28, 2021.

Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection

There's plenty more. It is an accepted fact. At least accepted by those without that haven't been brainwashed by a radical right.

And this is coming from a lifetime Republican that voted for Trump twice. The same Trump that urged his own constituency to get the vaccine. For me this has absolutely nothing to do with politics, but everything to do with medical knowledge and science.

08-20-2021, 12:32 PM	#1
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron. Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason. No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you. Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint. For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans. If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.
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08-20-2021, 03:22 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you. Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint. For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans. If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection. I am absolutely viewing this from the viewpoint of the fans. I am both one of those fans AND a season ticket holder and I am thrilled that the proof of vaccination or a negative test is required. Out of 70,000 fans only 13 called in to get a refund on their tickets. That means most all of the rest really don't have a huge problem with it. As for someone that has had COVID that didn't want to get the vaccine, that's fine, but they should be willing to present a negative test result, right? If not there is a problem. If not they shouldn't be allowed in. As for vaccines providing a greater protection than the antibodies from a previous case of COVID, the data set is huge with over 175 million Americans fully vaccinated. It is quite easy to compare the breakthrough cases of vaccinated individuals with the reinfections of persons that had previously had COVID. Do a quick search. Here's one from John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published in May 28, 2021. Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection There's plenty more. It is an accepted fact. At least accepted by those without that haven't been brainwashed by a radical right. And this is coming from a lifetime Republican that voted for Trump twice. The same Trump that urged his own constituency to get the vaccine. For me this has absolutely nothing to do with politics, but everything to do with medical knowledge and science.
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