Re: Trevor Siemian
 

You base his giving us a better chance than Hill based upon what? One appearance with more than SIX pass attempts since 2017?

Please.

:rolleyes:

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Not based on what Semian has done….but having watched what Hill HAS not done. Still rather take my chances……and keep Hill where he is.

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I just got done watching the NFL Network this evening and several of their pundits (Willie McGinest, David Carr and Steve Mariucci) were all in agreement that Trevor is SP's best option as a new starting QB and that Taysom should return in the same 'situational QB' role he's been playing until now!

Perhaps there are some differing opines being floated now that the news has sunk in? Regardless, SP is the QB Whisperer and the final judge on who can/ will run the offense best. I just hope our team stays competitive enough to make some noise without Jameis!

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It looks like he might be back this Sunday against the Falcons.

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It appears that this is Hill's first reported concussion, once cleared he should be good to go. However it's a good question how it will affect him long term.

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Trevor can win with this team. He's a smart veteran. Hill can win with this tea., But he is more valuable to the team in his slash role. Especially with Thomas out.

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If left to my own devices I'd like to see what Book can do sooner rather than later. But I'm going to worry about my own meat and trust CSP's decision and root for whomever the Saints QB might be - as long as it's not Kaepernick.

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I'm inclined to agree, but only if their chances of getting in the playoffs are DOA.

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Agreed!

Regardless if its Siemian or Hill, we're in for some serious change and some excitment. At first I was a little freaked out. But Siemian played decent and Hill is coming back soon. And you know SP isn't going to let the clowns know who we're starting until the last minute. lol

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I would tend to agree with that strategy as that is what I proposed all along in having Winston as the starter, but Siemian is not Winston. Nowhere even close. I feel that we have a far greater chance of success with the ball in Taysom's hands every play. Winston is a playmaker. Hill is a playmaker Siemian is not and never has been. I believe Payton knows this and I expect Hill to be getting all of the first team reps in practice.

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The knock on Hill that Siemian does well is checking it down to Kamara/Ingram. Idk if Taysom doesn’t go through his progressions to get to that point or just lacks that touch needed for that pass but hopefully he has worked on it. He will need it moving for the team and for him if he wants to progress as a starting qb in this league.

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I guess we're fixing to find out ... :popcorn:

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That we are, sir

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The best value for this team is Simeon starting and Taysom playing the Swiss Army Knife where he actually has the potential to be a game changer. :bng:

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That was my argument for Winston starting. However, I just don't have a good feeling with Siemian playing that role moving forward. He has always given up a lot of sacks and turnovers.

With Winston as the starter and Hill as the "joker" the net potential was greater than Hill starting by a sizable margin. Hill was not being used in the backup role. That was Siemian's job.

If we were to use Hill in the "joker" role with Siemian as the starter we would have to have Ian Book take over backup duties. I'm not sure that Payton is ready for Book or if Book is ready for that. Remember two years ago when Brees went down Teddy became the starter and Taysom's role diminished greatly as he became the primary backup. His touches went WAY down until Brees returned.

Hill is a dynamic player. He needs to touch the ball. Under these circumstances that would have to be as the QB.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Based on his output at Notre Dame, I think Book is ready to be the primary backup or go into games if necessary. He might not have quite the high ceiling of Zach Wilson or Trey Lance, but I believe he has a much higher floor than either of those two. Ultimately, Sean and Carmichael have the best insight because it's their team and they see how everyone looks in practice and how well they can execute the plays.

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Saints are a contender looking to secure the division and/or a playoff spot.

No way does CSP insert a rookie QB.

The wheels would have to completely fall off with either Trevor or Taysom under center.

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AG asked about where the sudden love for Simeon came from. It came from finally being able to watch decent QB play. Nontheless, I am really Looking forward to going from 60% completion to 72%! Not too mention much better running skills. Praying for Taysom's brain injury though. I'd rather have Simeon play than rush Taysom into the lineup. Hopefully decision makers in this instance make the best long term decision.

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The benefit here is that the Saints are playing the Falcons. They should play their second stringers and rest the starters.:bng:

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Any team in the NFL can beat any other on any given Sunday. Besides, at this point every game is vital for a shot at homefield advantage.

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Winston has been playing far greater than decent. I understand that you have some sort of hatred for Winston. Don't get it, but understand you have it.

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Decent qb play is 14 TDs and 3 INTS. Idk what your idea of qb play is but it’s a lil off, chief. I got a question if Hill or Siemian screw up in a game, are you gonna call them out or rag on them like you did Jameis? Or is it my horse is now in so they can do no wrong? I’m just curious. I hope they do good cause they’re the starter now.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Haters gonna hate, my friend. ;)

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I was totally serious and you corrected me. Good stuff.

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I would have thought you were kidding, but I guess not.

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I guess so, AG. I mean he’s entitled to his own opinion and all that but if Jameis was out there like Tampa Jameis, I’d be the first to say get him outta here but he wasn’t. If he was as bad as he claims then Sean would of went to Taysom long ago. This narrative is strong around him for some reason but it’s like listening to ESPN with him, he is who he is and he can’t change. Like Rocky said in Rocky IV, everyone can change.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I googled Trevor Siemian and I believe in him from what I've read. My eyes told me he felt comfortable and he was connecting with his targets and looking crisp. He's been studying under Payton for a couple of seasons now and should have the play book down pat. I believe his record is 13-12 as a starter. He's played back up for the Broncos when they won the Super bowl I believe. He's seen some good coaching and then he spent time with teams like the jets who are not known for developing players in their programs.

With time spent with Drew, Payton and even Winston, Siemian could possibly manage this team to a playoff spot. He likely will be the back up because Taysom is the next man up with Payton. We will sorely miss Taysom's swiss army knife role if he's the starter.

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I'm getting tired of some people's narrative that our Super Bowl hopes are dashed with Jameis out for the year and Brees retired. You don't need an in-prime Hall of Famer to win one. Foles, Flacco, over the hill Peyton Manning, Brad Johnson and Dilfer are proof of that. Guys like Neil O'Donnell, Stan Humphries and Delhomme can at least get you to the Super Bowl if things break right. Just give me a darn good team.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

This! ^^^^

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Agree. This guy could be our version of Jeff Hostetler when he took over for Phil Simms and won the Superbowl.

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The TEAM has been playing far better than decent. I don't know about ya'll but watching 2 or 3 out of 15 3rd down conversion attemps succeed is poor football to me. Watching Jameis struggle trying to play - especially while pulling for the guy - has been less than fun. I'm glad that he's only thrown a few interceptions but Winston owning the 32nd place 59 % pass completion is a bummer to watch. Only Zach Wilson with NYJ is worse. Every QB but one has a better passing completion rate. Where is the HATE in that statement? Our great defense and running game have won our games this year. AG's positive attitude about the team is sometimes fun but mostly blinding. Honest criticism is not hate. You cannot find one hateful thing I have written about Winston. If we met and I kicked your a$$ people might think I didn't like you, or that it was self-defense but not necessarily that I HATE you. Of course, we haven't met and I don't feel like doing that nor do I hate you. But YOU actually do attack me and call me a Hater and verbally abuse me - at least recently. Does that make you feel good? I came on this site to meet people with similar interests and discuss the saints. I've been negative about Coach Payton's play calling at times. I don't HATE the guy. I've criticized Dennis Allen. I don't HATE the guy. Winston's play is hard to watch a lot of the time. I DON'T HATE THE GUY. What is it in your heart that makes you enjoy attacking someone's character? Maybe you need to consider your own character. People don't often rub me the wrong way. Your ignorance and self-righteousness do. I can take a hit with the best of them but it's time you stop saying that I hate Winston or anyone else.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

It's his shtick and you're not the only one that it grates on. Many of us have asked him to stop with the smarmy b1tchiness but here we are.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

From Oxford Language dictionary:

Water under the bridge:

used to refer to events or situations that are in the past and consequently no longer to be regarded as important or as a source of concern.

His actions are impacting the team NOW and they are a source of concern NOW. Hence it is not water under the bridge.

I also don’t buy your take that no one else on the team cares that his actions screwed the team. Especially when you want to nail Rogers for not taking the vaccine yet give Thomas a pass on this.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Sorry you don't buy it. That's your prerogative. Just like dwelling on things that are water under the bridge is your prerogative. As far as I am concerned the fact that Thomas didn't have surgery earlier is of zero concern to me and no longer is important because it has no impact one way or the other any longer. There is no guarantee he would have been available if he had. What is, is.

But, you keep dwelling if it makes you feel better! Just stand there on that bridge looking downstream as that water flows further and further away.

Oh, by the way, I'm not nailing Rodgers for not taking the vaccine. I'm nailing him for implying that he had been "inoculated" and for repeatedly violating mandated protocols.

:D

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Okay. Lovers gonna love! Feel better? :rolleyes:

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Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I love you, too! Even with your name calling.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Now now Bosty don't go at him with logic! Lol

Someone not taking this relatively new and "experimental" vaccine doesn't make them a jerk.

I'm inclined to agree more with Rogers on this.

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Re: Trevor Siemian
 

You clearly didn't see my reply.