Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I do. With the weapons and their performance that Simeon had the last two games and the Kicking/Penalties/Defensive breakdowns the team loses those 2 games with Brees same way they did with Simeon.

Why are you bringing up Winston? He’s hurt in case you haven’t heard i.e. “Water under the bridge”. You know who most of Winston’s completions were to? Kamara. You know who Simeon didn’t have last game? Kamara. No impact their either in your mind I guess 🙄. That being said, I’d rather have winston as QB as well. The point was about inserting Taysom Hill as QB and if he would make a difference.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

If Taysom is at QB, you may as well deactivate Kamara the rest of the way, because he's completely useless in this offense with Hill at QB.

He either rockets a pass at Kamara's face from 5 yards away, keeps a choice play when he should give it Alvin or just ignores him completely.

Not saying Taysom doesn't add a spark sometimes because he does, but he was very lucky he played the Falcons and Broncos in his starts last season. The defense had 8+ sacks in both Falcons games and Taysom almost lost the second one with 2 untimely fumbles.

Either way, it's all Paytons decision, Trautman needs to go though, which is something I think we can all agree on. Juwan Johnson should be the starter at TE

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I like Trevor under center a little better than Winston. Trevor hasn’t thrown a pick, he seems kool in the pocket and I like his delivery. His accuracy needs a little fine tuning if can. Knowing when to throw the ball away vs taking a sack should be point of emphasis.
His biggest advantage over Jameis to me is, Jameis gives me mistake waiting to happen vibes. The same kinda vibes Jared Cook gave me with the ball in his hands with a defender trailing. I can’t be the only one that’s see’s Jameis being a bit rattled when bodies are around him. When he’s under duress, silly decisions are made. Trevor just seems more relaxed.
I guarantee that IF Jameis didn’t have a season ending injury and the team didn’t make crucial mistakes around Trevor the last two games. There would definitely be a QB controversy.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Agreed, Jameis played well for the most part, but he always gave me that chaotic QB feeling when he dropped back.

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It’s no secret I believed in Winston. Maybe still do. I think it’s fair to point out that he never had a full camp/preseason with the starters. Last year was COVID and he was third string. This year was the storm that forced them to move and he still had to split starting reps with Hill. Add to this overall subpar talent/performance at skill positions (keep in mind this is the same group of receivers etc MINUS Sanders, Cook, and Thomas) plus subpar o-line play and I think Winston has been held back greatly from his potential. Just my feel on it.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I to wanted Jameis to be great and have success. The guy has been a winner on the field throughout his football career. We had a Heisman trophy winning, #1 overall NFL selected, 5000 yd club QB as our starting QB. And was paying him peanuts. His expectations were higher because of who he was.
But the guy that replaced him had to deal with those same conditions but as a backup with far less reps.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

My thoughts exactly! And as a couple of other guys have posted, I think Siemian looks more relaxed and seems to go through his reads a bit more. At least it seems that way. I feel more confident when he's behind center. Not sure what the team feels.

Then again I'm just an intelligent, overachieving and down right handsome fan that watches from my couch. What the hell do I know?

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Wrong! Winston had 14 TD passes when he got injured. Most of them were NOT to Kamara. Armah caught one Winston TD. Harris caught two Winston TD's. Juwan Johnson caught three Winston TD's. Hogan caught one Winston TD. Callaway caught three Winston TD's.

As for having the same outcome the last two games with Brees as QB instead of Siemian ... Oh. My. God. You seriously do not have a clue.

What you are implying is that Siemian is just as good a QB as was Brees. What the hell are you smoking, Boston? :smokin:

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I said most of his completions went to...not most of his TDs went to, I am not wrong. But, thanks for putting your foot in your mouth. The rest of what you said is BS as well. My point, which I have said and will repeat
is, I HAVE DOUBTS PUTTING HILL IN WOULD RESULT IN IMPROVEMENT OVER SIMEON.

As for Brees vs Simeon, judging from the way Drew threw the ball in his last year, his health the last two, his lack of mobility with how the OL has played coupled with the poor play of WRs and TE; I believe he would be hurt now the same way he was in his past two years and the way Winston was this year. Teams would have clamped down on short passes again, locked on Kamara and forced receivers to make plays. They have not done so. The one aspect that has worked somewhat for WRs so far this year has been deep routs because Winston, Hill, and Simeon have stronger arms than Brees at this point. If you want to twist that into me saying Simeon is a better QB than Brees was than good luck. I guess that’s how your mind works.

Why don’t you maybe smoke something and chill out and stop putting words in my mouth as you have in the past

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Okay, Winston had 95 completions before he was injured. So you are saying that Kamara had at least 48 of those, right? That would be MOST. Kamara only had 28 receptions through the first seven games. He had one game (Giants) where he wasn't even targeted by Winston a single time.

And no, I don't believe you are stupid enough to declare Siemian is better than Brees at any point of Brees' career. And I hope you aren't stupid enough to claim Siemian is as good as Brees was at any point of his career.

And you mentioned lack of mobility. Brees at his oldest and slowest was more pocket aware and able to avoid trouble than Siemian has been throughout his career. I honestly don't get why you are so enamored with Siemian. He's no more than an somewhat adequate short term back-up.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Why don’t you quit being an ass and address my point instead of double speaking? The point I bolded for you! Where do I indicate any form of high praise for Simeon? How did I indicate I was enamored with him? Hint, I didn’t. You can disagree with my point and say Hill would be a better choice if you want and I’ll respect that. But kiss my ass when you put words in my mouth and misrepresent what I say.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

You said what you said. Twist it as you want after the fact. As to your bolded (by that I assume you meant capitalized) text, it's fine that you have doubts that Hill would be an improvement over Siemian. Then again, you also doubted Brees would be an improvement over Siemian. That your prerogative, of course.

:D

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

The sick thing is you have accused me of being argumentative. You are one of the least self-aware people I’ve ever encountered online. Please tell me you are going on another cruise soon.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I'll let you know! Thanks!

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Good. It’s much more enjoyable with you gone.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

This is why you're a :censored:.

You deliberately missed the point and started an argument about who can do math?

Good job. Another thread...and you're in it fighting with someone just like all the others.

You're not on NFL Radio. You're not an analyst. You're just a jerk on the internet. A real :censored:.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I love you, too!

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Unless that cruise is headed down the river Styx, it won't be long enough.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Sounds like something a creepy stalker chick would say.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

For the love of God...

Why do you guys keep feeding the troll.

No one needs to reply to AG, it's easy to block him. After being on this site for years, it's much more enjoyable to not see his posts, they add zero value.

However, when you all quote him, he shows up to those of us that have learned to not feed the troll... please, just stop.

Back to Trevor...

No one can deny that our WRs/TEs are awful. Winston or Trevor, that statement is true. Our pass catchers have the worst average separation in the league regardless of who tosses the ball, they need someone to toss it to.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

This reflects what I have been saying about the lack of velocity on Siemian's throws. The receivers are used to the ball getting to them on time. That's simply not happening when Siemian throws the ball. It throws the timing of the catch all off.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Preach!!! I'm in the same boat bro!!! Because he argues with everyone, I still see his posts! Lmao!!!

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Payton hasn't said anything about Siemians throws lacking velocity, don't try to act as though you and Payton are saying the same things lol

If NFL Wide Receivers can't catch a ball if the timing is a second off, they shouldn't be in the NFL.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Of course Payton didn't say any of that. But, what he did say was that dropped balls have been a problem with Siemian at QB. I just gave a reason why there could be a correlation. As for lack of velocity, it's obvious to the naked eye. He's had wide open receivers that become covered due to his hesitation on the throws and the lack of speed on the ball. That's happened several times over the past two games.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Translation: I’m full of crap again.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

I guess it’s taken me a while to get to this spot. When I joined I had hopes for good communication and discord with other saints fans. For the most part that has happened. Looks like I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt vs listening to the many people who warned me about his nature.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Dude! Please enjoy THREE dancin' bananas.

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Put throwing the ball away in his repertoire, and he's plenty good. I would Ike to see Hill start just to shake things up. They have came out flat the last two weeks.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Or more precisely, NOT throwing the ball away. :D

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Get better receivers in the 2022 draft & Free Agency.

Dawgs, guys willing to lay it on the line, make the contested catch. TALENT. We have one legit route runner on the roster and he’s done for season.

For the most part, Jameis/Trevor have been throwing to 2nd/3rd tier WRS.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Yup. And for the past two weeks those 2nd/3rd string WR's have had a backup QB throwing them the ball. Not quite a formula for success.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

And then there's this.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Is it the QB/is it the WR & TEs? To me it's both. Trevor can get hot but is not always accurate, and the catchers are not always catching or separating. Myself I put blame 65/35 catcher vs QB.
IMO as good as Trevor has been, at this point in his career, when it comes to the last, or most crucial play of the game the ball needs to be in our playmakers hands - Harris, Ingram or when he comes back AK not the QB.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Go look at some of Trevor's tape from his Denver days.

Demarius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders had no problems catching his passes.

Trevor is plenty good enough to lead the troops but he simply doesn't have many options on the receiving end.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Trevor can be the team's long term solution. I truly like the guy. We just lack pass catchers. Kamara returning will help a ton. We need other options though. People were laughing at me a couple of weeks ago, but he's been pretty much putting the ball into people's breadbaskets for the last 2 weeks and the losses can't be attributed to him

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

Even Siemian's critics would have to agree he's been competent. Coach can work with that. Now lets get somebody that knows how to play WR in the NFL. Just one. Oh, and a TE that doesn't suck.

Re: Trevor Siemian
 

If it was possible to release a player during a game, I would have released Trautman during the game last week. The dude may have potential, but he is playing like straight trash.