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RailBoss 11-18-2021 08:04 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hitta (Post 935586)
If it was possible to release a player during a game, I would have released Trautman during the game last week. The dude may have potential, but he is playing like straight trash.
Lol..
the Dude just doesn't seem to have any consistency.

AsylumGuido 11-18-2021 08:14 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hitta (Post 935586)
If it was possible to release a player during a game, I would have released Trautman during the game last week. The dude may have potential, but he is playing like straight trash.
He screwed up twice. One dropped pass and the crucial penalty. Beyond that he led the team in receptions last week with five. He's also the only player on the Saints in the top 50 in both contested catch rate and "the distance in yards between the receiver and the nearest defender at the time of a catch or incompletion."

AsylumGuido 11-18-2021 08:15 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 935591)
Lol..
the Dude just doesn't seem to have any consistency.
This is true. He runs three great routes and catches two passes in traffic and then drops an easy one.

AsylumGuido 11-18-2021 08:50 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
This is too telling not to drop here, as well. Wow!

iceshack149 11-18-2021 09:41 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Trautman has become the new Jason David! I think he's still getting acclimated to the big league and is getting better with each game played.

He's no Coby Fleener.

Rugby Saint II 11-18-2021 01:12 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 935577)
Go look at some of Trevor's tape from his Denver days.

Demarius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders had no problems catching his passes.

Trevor is plenty good enough to lead the troops but he simply doesn't have many options on the receiving end.
True Dat! :bng:

saintsfan1976 11-18-2021 03:37 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935444)
Not from what I've been seeing. Not even close. I've seen far too much hesitation letting open receivers get covered before the ball arrives. I've seen multiple occasions where passes are floated instead of being zipped in there. Any offensive success statistically speaking by Siemian has come late in the game when we have been down by large margins and the defense has gone into a prevent mode.
He's started 2 games. Why don't you give him a minute to get acclimated to running the offense. At least we're seeing him have success.

5 TDs. 0 INTs. Over 700 yds passing. 94pt QBR. It's a very good start.

saintsfan1976 11-18-2021 03:40 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 935445)
I'd rather see Taysom get the opportunity at this time...
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935447)
Same here. He's not getting enough opportunities in the joker role so he might as well be under center. When he has had the opportunity to pass it has had velocity behind it. I actually think those "off speed" passes that Siemian has been throwing has led to several of those drops we have seen. It's like the receiver is anticipating the ball to already be there when it hasn't yet arrived.
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 935448)
Me too.

Titans had tape on Trevor and he can't beat the blitz/stunts & thus far he's 0-2 as a starter. Has he lost any games? Nope, but he hasn't won any either. At least Taysom can create something with his legs when things break down.

We need a spark.
Oh, so you prefer balls in the dirt and sailing out of reach to dropped passes?

saintsfan1976 11-18-2021 03:42 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935599)
This is too telling not to drop here, as well. Wow!

https://twitter.com/JeffDuncan_/stat...30741443317762
This stat brought to you by three different QBs, a weak ass WR corps and cobbled together O line.

frydaddy 11-18-2021 03:48 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Taysom Hill isn't starting NFL QB material, and he's never going to be. The man is in his 30s, too late to rebuild his mechanics and make him a proper passer. I know he managed to win some games last year, but he had a better supporting cast around him than what Siemian currently has to work with. I'd be willing to bet that putting him in as the starter would result in more lopsided losses than anything. Seems Payton has the same idea, or he wouldn't still be rolling with Trevor over Taysom.

AsylumGuido 11-18-2021 04:01 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 935621)
He's started 2 games. Why don't you give him a minute to get acclimated to running the offense. At least we're seeing him have success.

5 TDs. 0 INTs. Over 700 yds passing. 94pt QBR. It's a very good start.
He's looking just like he looked in 2017-18 when he started 25 games in Denver. He's tentative, holds onto the ball, takes a lot of sacks, and completes under 60% of his passes. He's exactly who he's always been.

saintsfan1976 11-18-2021 04:17 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935626)
He's looking just like he looked in 2017-18 when he started 25 games in Denver. He's tentative, holds onto the ball, takes a lot of sacks, and completes under 60% of his passes. He's exactly who he's always been.
Tentative? Could it be the meager receivers he's working with?

Takes a lot of sacks? Should he be pass blocking for himself?

60% completion? Should he also be CATCHING his own passes?

AsylumGuido 11-18-2021 04:24 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 935628)
Tentative? Could it be the meager receivers he's working with?

Takes a lot of sacks? Should he be pass blocking for himself?

60% completion? Should he also be CATCHING his own passes?
He took over the Broncos team in 2017 that carried Peyton Manning to the Super Bowl title the season before. He had the same receiving corps as Manning. He looked the same as he looks now.

RailBoss 11-18-2021 04:27 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 935625)
Taysom Hill isn't starting NFL QB material, and he's never going to be. The man is in his 30s, too late to rebuild his mechanics and make him a proper passer. I know he managed to win some games last year, but he had a better supporting cast around him than what Siemian currently has to work with. I'd be willing to bet that putting him in as the starter would result in more lopsided losses than anything. Seems Payton has the same idea, or he wouldn't still be rolling with Trevor over Taysom.
I'm not sure Taysom would last behind center as a starter. He's already had a concussion and now he has an issue with his foot.
He's a bit of a "One Man Wrecking Crew" and has one speed which is full speed. In my opinion I think SP has this right.

jeanpierre 11-18-2021 04:37 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 935631)
I'm not sure Taysom would last behind center as a starter. He's already had a concussion and now he has an issue with his foot.
He's a bit of a "One Man Wrecking Crew" and has one speed which is full speed. In my opinion I think SP has this right.
It was Sean that felt Taysom was the Saints' future at quarterback...

RailBoss 11-18-2021 04:52 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 935634)
It was Sean that felt Taysom was the Saints' future at quarterback...
This season has become one big card game for SP...

Thirty3 11-18-2021 05:19 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935626)
He's looking just like he looked in 2017-18 when he started 25 games in Denver. He's tentative, holds onto the ball, takes a lot of sacks, and completes under 60% of his passes. He's exactly who he's always been.
You sound like me talking about Winston.

jeanpierre 11-18-2021 06:48 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 935642)
You sound like me talking about Winston.
Plus-one; Sean was trying to re-mould Jameis Winston from a gunslinger into a new precision quarterback, so that would flow to expect hesitation from Winston...

RailBoss 11-18-2021 07:35 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
My question is how many QB's can Sean re-mould in one season.
If Trevor gets kidnapped by a band of crazy Bronco Zealots and Book gets called up what now.
So Sean has to re-write and write this Book all over. So maybe this time he goes with the short version.

Boston Saint 11-18-2021 07:46 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
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RailBoss 11-18-2021 11:28 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Not bad....Lol

The Dude 11-18-2021 11:31 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 935553)
I guess it’s taken me a while to get to this spot. When I joined I had hopes for good communication and discord with other saints fans. For the most part that has happened. Looks like I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt vs listening to the many people who warned me about his nature.
You are talking about a guy who has a hole drilled in his shower wall with a picture of Bree’s’ head taped over it. I’m sure he has a glorious time in there…..When he’s not listening to Serious radio so he can post “they talked about this very subject on _______” or trying to impress people talking about how many cruises he’s going on.

saintsfan1976 11-19-2021 03:21 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935629)
He took over the Broncos team in 2017 that carried Peyton Manning to the Super Bowl title the season before. He had the same receiving corps as Manning. He looked the same as he looks now.
Only his performance in New Orleans has so far been much, much better.

saintsfan1976 11-19-2021 03:23 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 935634)
It was Sean that felt Taysom was the Saints' future at quarterback...
"Said it" doesn't mean "believed it"

Boston Saint 11-19-2021 05:37 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 935655)
You are talking about a guy who has a hole drilled in his shower wall with a picture of Bree’s’ head taped over it. I’m sure he has a glorious time in there…..When he’s not listening to Serious radio so he can post “they talked about this very subject on _______” or trying to impress people talking about how many cruises he’s going on.
Didn’t need that the mental image 🤮!

Boston Saint 11-19-2021 05:41 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 935656)
Only his performance in New Orleans has so far been much, much better.
He wouldn’t be the first QB Payton has taken from an AFC west team and had success with.

AsylumGuido 11-19-2021 07:58 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 935656)
Only his performance in New Orleans has so far been much, much better.
How so? Looks about the same to me. I had Demaryius Thomas in a keeper league in 2016 and 2017 so I watched some of virtually every Broncos game with Siemian during that stretch. It was frustrating.

AsylumGuido 11-19-2021 08:01 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 935655)
You are talking about a guy who has a hole drilled in his shower wall with a picture of Bree’s’ head taped over it. I’m sure he has a glorious time in there…..When he’s not listening to Serious radio so he can post “they talked about this very subject on _______” or trying to impress people talking about how many cruises he’s going on.
I listen to XM radio so I can learn things and keep up with the latest. And the picture is Sean Payton. Geez.

saintsfan1976 11-20-2021 06:10 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 935621)
He's started 2 games. Why don't you give him a minute to get acclimated to running the offense. At least we're seeing him have success.

5 TDs. 0 INTs. Over 700 yds passing. 94pt QBR. It's a very good start.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935672)
How so? Looks about the same to me. I had Demaryius Thomas in a keeper league in 2016 and 2017 so I watched some of virtually every Broncos game with Siemian during that stretch. It was frustrating.
As I pointed out above.

jnormand 11-20-2021 07:49 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
I'm actually impressed so far by Trevor. Now if Coach P started Taysom, I'd be okay with that too. I think he adds an element to the game and its exciting.

Rugby Saint II 11-20-2021 01:47 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Trevor is good enough considering he is a backup. What the heck do you expect from last years third stringer? Give him time and maybe even at least one receiver and see how well he plays. Not to mention we've been down two to three O-linemen when he has earned the start. Taysom is a gadget player but he's too predictable to be a QB. One read and run or just run.

Thirty3 11-21-2021 10:28 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 935622)
Oh, so you prefer balls in the dirt and sailing out of reach to dropped passes?
Winston completed 59% of his passes
Simeon is 57% I think
Hill’s 4 starts 72%.

Boston Saint 11-21-2021 10:57 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 935738)
Trevor is good enough considering he is a backup. What the heck do you expect from last years third stringer? Give him time and maybe even at least one receiver and see how well he plays. Not to mention we've been down two to three O-linemen when he has earned the start. Taysom is a gadget player but he's too predictable to be a QB. One read and run or just run.
^ This right here. Friggin A!!!!! Great post.

If Saints had Hill and Kelce imagine how different things would be. Trevor has thrown well enough to win games. But Instead of Adams and Jones we have Laurel and Hardy.

saintsfan1976 11-21-2021 11:58 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 935780)
Winston completed 59% of his passes
Simeon is 57% I think
Hill’s 4 starts 72%.
Let's give Trevor 4 starts to see how that pans out.

SmashMouth 11-21-2021 02:14 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 935805)
Let's give Trevor 4 starts to see how that pans out.
Time to hand the reigns to Taysom or Ian Book. We've seen enough of Trevor .

ChrisXVI 11-21-2021 02:20 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
We always tout how we kept on winning with Bridgewater, Hill, Winston etc at QB but we haven’t won a game yet with Siemian starting. Yeah our personnel on offense is subpar but these are bad teams we’re losing to.

K Major 11-21-2021 02:28 PM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Trevor is a “back up” for a reason.

If Taysom is healthy on next Thurs, start him.

saintsfan1976 11-22-2021 05:37 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 935626)
He's looking just like he looked in 2017-18 when he started 25 games in Denver. He's tentative, holds onto the ball, takes a lot of sacks, and completes under 60% of his passes. He's exactly who he's always been.
I'm coming here to take a bite of crow.

I was only able to listen to the game but from the sound of things Trevor just wasn't good at all. Repeatedly. Guido, he was all the things you said he was...

Why only a bite? Because Trevor was never meant to be our starting QB. He's not good enough to overcome a decimated offensive line and without key playmakers.

TheOak 11-22-2021 06:39 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 935738)
Trevor is good enough considering he is a backup. What the heck do you expect from last years third stringer? Give him time and maybe even at least one receiver and see how well he plays. Not to mention we've been down two to three O-linemen when he has earned the start. Taysom is a gadget player but he's too predictable to be a QB. One read and run or just run.
Let’s take that a level deeper. Trevor is good enough to be a backup, the problem is that he isn’t backing up now is he… he is starting.

If the requirement is decent receivers then you sir, could also be QB. I’ve got money that you can throw a better spiral and with a little zip. Heck, I know my 13 and 17 year old daughter can.

Trevor didn’t earn the start, he was the last man standing. :bng::bng:

AsylumGuido 11-22-2021 07:59 AM
Re: Trevor Siemian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 936143)
I'm coming here to take a bite of crow.

I was only able to listen to the game but from the sound of things Trevor just wasn't good at all. Repeatedly. Guido, he was all the things you said he was...

Why only a bite? Because Trevor was never meant to be our starting QB. He's not good enough to overcome a decimated offensive line and without key playmakers.
At least you weren't one of those declaring Siemian as our future. LOL! When Siemian was in Denver he was throwing the ball toward two pro bowl WR's (D. Thomas and E. Sanders) and had a defense that allowed a declining Peyton Manning to win the Super Bowl the year prior.


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