Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M

Saintsfan4ever · 11-23-2021, 12:20 PM

Amnesia is a cruel disease.
When Taysom was exclusively on Special Teams he was the best player field.
When Taysom joined the offense under Brees, he excelled at all the skill positions. Especially moving the chains on short yardage like nobody else on the team could.
When Brees went down last year, Taysom started at QB. He was 3-1 (so please stop it with the "let's try him & see how he does". That test has been run. Check!).
So, all last off-season Taysom trains & conditions exclusively for the QB position. But, he ended up not being the starter, and then immediately got thrown back into the Swiss-Army role that he didn't condition his body for. And now he's hurt. Big fkng Surprise!
When Taysom is healthy, he should be the starting QB because he's earned it & proven it. End of Fkng story!

jnormand · 11-23-2021, 01:01 PM

At this point in the season, I have no issues with Taysom taking over as starter.

I think Trevor did as best he could under the circumstances he was given. I don't think he did awful by any means. He made some plays.

Regardless of WR issues, injuries, penalties and defensive and offensive meltdowns, you either stick with Trevor for the remainder of the season and see if he can right the ship. Or you see if Taysom can come in and provide a spark.

Both come with their own set of positives and negatives.

IMO, if you're gonna make a change to QB or if you're gonna stick wth Trevor, you make the commitment now before it's too late.

Guess we'll see what happens on Thursday. Should be an exciting day.

Budsdrinker · 11-23-2021, 01:38 PM

Hey Boston check these salaries out for next year! AG does have a point but I still don't believe Taysom will be our starting QB for the next 4 years.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022/

Boston Saint · 11-23-2021, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Hey Boston check these salaries out for next year! AG does have a point but I still don't believe Taysom will be our starting QB for the next 4 years.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022/

thanks for the link and it does support his point about salaries going up. But it also shows 24+ as being middle of the pack. And when you see guys like Stafford, Murray, Brady making less than that I find it hard to see 24 million being a steal. If he pulls a Kurt Warner and set the league on fire I’ll call that a steal.

AsylumGuido · 11-23-2021, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Funny thing is all Isaid was “ IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season”. He then proceeds to try and convince me that I’m wrong and 24 million a year is a steal for a QB. I’m just not looking at it right.

Yet I argue over meaningless points.

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Hey Boston check these salaries out for next year! AG does have a point but I still don't believe Taysom will be our starting QB for the next 4 years.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022/

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

thanks for the link and it does support his point about salaries going up. But it also shows 24+ as being middle of the pack. And when you see guys like Stafford, Murray, Brady making less than that I find it hard to see 24 million being a steal. If he pulls a Kurt Warner and set the league on fire I’ll call that a steal.

This was the comment I was addressing: "Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best."

The point I was making is that IF Hill starts for all four years the $24 million average would be a steal as compared to other starters over that same four year stretch. And IF Hill is still starting after four years then it can be easily assumed he is having success as the starter. The starting QB salary is perhaps the easiest to project out into the future now that the new CBA and the broadcast partnerships are in place. There have been projections placing the top NFL QB salaries at over $50 million per year average by 2025. Not a stretch at all given the top starter cap hits are already over $40 million in 2022. Starter averages could be around $30-$35 million by that point.

It's all basic economics, cost accounting, and business law. Present cost and values versus future costs and values in a contractually controlled rising economic environment.

IF Hill doesn't start all four years he isn't getting the full $55 million in incentives and therefore isn't going to be averaging the full $24 million per year. There's really nothing to lose.

Boston Saint · 11-24-2021, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This was the comment I was addressing: "Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best."

The point I was making is that IF Hill starts for all four years the $24 million average would be a steal as compared to other starters over that same four year stretch. And IF Hill is still starting after four years then it can be easily assumed he is having success as the starter. The starting QB salary is perhaps the easiest to project out into the future now that the new CBA and the broadcast partnerships are in place. There have been projections placing the top NFL QB salaries at over $50 million per year average by 2025. Not a stretch at all given the top starter cap hits are already over $40 million in 2022. Starter averages could be around $30-$35 million by that point.

It's all basic economics, cost accounting, and business law. Present cost and values versus future costs and values in a contractually controlled rising economic environment.

IF Hill doesn't start all four years he isn't getting the full $55 million in incentives and therefore isn't going to be averaging the full $24 million per year. There's really nothing to lose.

You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness.

Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal.

But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.

jnormand · 11-24-2021, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness.

Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal.

But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.

Or if Hill is the starting QB four years from now and he does really well and earns the increased pay, that would be good too!!

AsylumGuido · 11-24-2021, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness.

Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal.

But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.

DING! DING! DING! Maybe it is finally sinking in, Boston. The contract is written as a series of "what if's". That's the whole point. It isn't a $23.75 million per annum contract unless those "what if's" are met. With no "what if's" accomplished the contract sits at $10 million per year.

And, yes, time will tell. I basically said that as well. No where did I say the contract WAS a steal. I said under certain circumstances it COULD be a steal. And I am perfectly self aware.

Give it a try.

vpheughan · 11-24-2021, 07:57 AM

IF and WHAT IF are interchangeable and one of the legs that hold up the B&G "FOUR HOARSE MEN" table of the B&G. COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A being the other three. It' the table the Lombardi rests in all it's glory!!!!!

halloween 65 · 11-24-2021, 10:46 AM

Winston played well enough until he got hurt, now we should get to see how well Hill does, it's his job to win or lose!!

11-23-2021, 12:20 PM	#1
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Amnesia is a cruel disease. When Taysom was exclusively on Special Teams he was the best player field. When Taysom joined the offense under Brees, he excelled at all the skill positions. Especially moving the chains on short yardage like nobody else on the team could. When Brees went down last year, Taysom started at QB. He was 3-1 (so please stop it with the "let's try him & see how he does". That test has been run. Check!). So, all last off-season Taysom trains & conditions exclusively for the QB position. But, he ended up not being the starter, and then immediately got thrown back into the Swiss-Army role that he didn't condition his body for. And now he's hurt. Big fkng Surprise! When Taysom is healthy, he should be the starting QB because he's earned it & proven it. End of Fkng story! jnormand and AsylumGuido like this.
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11-23-2021, 01:01 PM	#2
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,773	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M At this point in the season, I have no issues with Taysom taking over as starter. I think Trevor did as best he could under the circumstances he was given. I don't think he did awful by any means. He made some plays. Regardless of WR issues, injuries, penalties and defensive and offensive meltdowns, you either stick with Trevor for the remainder of the season and see if he can right the ship. Or you see if Taysom can come in and provide a spark. Both come with their own set of positives and negatives. IMO, if you're gonna make a change to QB or if you're gonna stick wth Trevor, you make the commitment now before it's too late. Guess we'll see what happens on Thursday. Should be an exciting day. Boston Saint likes this.

11-23-2021, 01:38 PM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Hey Boston check these salaries out for next year! AG does have a point but I still don't believe Taysom will be our starting QB for the next 4 years. https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022/ AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.

11-23-2021, 01:45 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Hey Boston check these salaries out for next year! AG does have a point but I still don't believe Taysom will be our starting QB for the next 4 years. https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022/ thanks for the link and it does support his point about salaries going up. But it also shows 24+ as being middle of the pack. And when you see guys like Stafford, Murray, Brady making less than that I find it hard to see 24 million being a steal. If he pulls a Kurt Warner and set the league on fire I’ll call that a steal. jnormand likes this.

11-23-2021, 02:55 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Originally Posted by Boston Saint Funny thing is all Isaid was “ IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season”. He then proceeds to try and convince me that I’m wrong and 24 million a year is a steal for a QB. I’m just not looking at it right. Yet I argue over meaningless points. Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Hey Boston check these salaries out for next year! AG does have a point but I still don't believe Taysom will be our starting QB for the next 4 years. https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022/ Originally Posted by Boston Saint thanks for the link and it does support his point about salaries going up. But it also shows 24+ as being middle of the pack. And when you see guys like Stafford, Murray, Brady making less than that I find it hard to see 24 million being a steal. If he pulls a Kurt Warner and set the league on fire I’ll call that a steal. This was the comment I was addressing: "Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best." The point I was making is that IF Hill starts for all four years the $24 million average would be a steal as compared to other starters over that same four year stretch. And IF Hill is still starting after four years then it can be easily assumed he is having success as the starter. The starting QB salary is perhaps the easiest to project out into the future now that the new CBA and the broadcast partnerships are in place. There have been projections placing the top NFL QB salaries at over $50 million per year average by 2025. Not a stretch at all given the top starter cap hits are already over $40 million in 2022. Starter averages could be around $30-$35 million by that point. It's all basic economics, cost accounting, and business law. Present cost and values versus future costs and values in a contractually controlled rising economic environment. IF Hill doesn't start all four years he isn't getting the full $55 million in incentives and therefore isn't going to be averaging the full $24 million per year. There's really nothing to lose.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

11-24-2021, 08:43 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This was the comment I was addressing: "Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best." The point I was making is that IF Hill starts for all four years the $24 million average would be a steal as compared to other starters over that same four year stretch. And IF Hill is still starting after four years then it can be easily assumed he is having success as the starter. The starting QB salary is perhaps the easiest to project out into the future now that the new CBA and the broadcast partnerships are in place. There have been projections placing the top NFL QB salaries at over $50 million per year average by 2025. Not a stretch at all given the top starter cap hits are already over $40 million in 2022. Starter averages could be around $30-$35 million by that point. It's all basic economics, cost accounting, and business law. Present cost and values versus future costs and values in a contractually controlled rising economic environment. IF Hill doesn't start all four years he isn't getting the full $55 million in incentives and therefore isn't going to be averaging the full $24 million per year. There's really nothing to lose. You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness. Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal. But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.
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11-24-2021, 10:17 AM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,773	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Originally Posted by Boston Saint You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness. Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal. But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell. Or if Hill is the starting QB four years from now and he does really well and earns the increased pay, that would be good too!! AsylumGuido likes this.

11-24-2021, 11:53 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Originally Posted by Boston Saint You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness. Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal. But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell. DING! DING! DING! Maybe it is finally sinking in, Boston. The contract is written as a series of "what if's". That's the whole point. It isn't a $23.75 million per annum contract unless those "what if's" are met. With no "what if's" accomplished the contract sits at $10 million per year. And, yes, time will tell. I basically said that as well. No where did I say the contract WAS a steal. I said under certain circumstances it COULD be a steal. And I am perfectly self aware. Give it a try.

11-24-2021, 07:57 AM	#9
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,555	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M IF and WHAT IF are interchangeable and one of the legs that hold up the B&G "FOUR HOARSE MEN" table of the B&G. COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A being the other three. It' the table the Lombardi rests in all it's glory!!!!!
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