2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

dizzle88 · 01-25-2022, 07:02 PM

We always knew the offense would look and function differently with a new QB at the helm, now it's likely going to be completely different with a new HC.

I wonder if Pete Carmichael stays and has more control over the offense.

lee909 · 01-25-2022, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now...

It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it.
And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves.

Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it.
And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves.

Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

K Major · 01-26-2022, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...[/B]

I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup.

Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one

.

Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup.

Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one .

Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round.

You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks...

My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time...

With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it...

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 10:34 AM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2022 New Orleans Saints - Offseason

OFFENSE

QB (3) 7 - Taysom Hill, 16 - Ian Book, 6 – Blake Bortles (RFC 2022)

RB (4) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 14 - Mark Ingram, 21 - Tony Jones Jr.

FB (1) 46 - Adam Prentice, 45 – Garrett Griffin (RFC 2022)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 17 - Kevin White (RFC 2022)

WR-S (2) 1 - Marquez Callaway, 80 - Kawaan Baker (RFC 2022), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (RFA 2022)

LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Ethan Greenidge (RFA 2022)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton

C (1) 78 - Erik McCoy, 68 - Cohl Cabral (RFC 2022)

RG (1) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 63 - Jerald Hawkins (RFC 2022)

RT (1) 74 - James Hurst, 67 - Landon Young

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett, 89 - Dylan Soehner, 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2022)

WR-Z (2) 11 - Deonte Harty (RFA 2022), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (RFC 2022), 18 - Easop Winston (RFC 2022)

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 96 - Carl Granderson (ERFA 2022)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle (RFA 2022), 95 - Albert Huggins (ERFA 2022), 77 - Jalen Dalton (ERFA 2022)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach (RFC 2022), 52 – Braxton Hoyett (RFC 2022)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 50 - Andrew Dowell

SLB (2) 55 - Kaden Elliss, 53 - Zach Baun, 59 - Sharif Finch (RFC 2022)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 25 - Ken Crawley, 37 – Dylan Maybin (RFC 2022)

NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 35 - KeiVarae Russell (RFC 2022)

FS (2) 48 - J.T. Gray

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 31 - Bryce Thompson (RFC 2022)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo, 21 - Bradley Roby, 36 - Jordan Miller (RFC 2022)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz, 6 - Brett Maher (RFA 2021)

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harty (RFA 2022]

90-man Roster Count - Total: 63; Offense: 31; Defense: 28; Kicking: 4

Reserve/Injured

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2022)

Restricted Free Agent (RFA 2022)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2022)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2022)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2022)

Waivers (Wv 2022)

Practice Squad (PS 2022)

Reserve/Injured (NFI), Reserve/Non-Football Injury (NFI), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP)

Reserve/Retired

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:

*OUT - Out/Left Game
*INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive
*PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad
*LP - Limited Practice
*DNP - Did Not Practice
*CP - Concussion Protocol
*DTR - Designated To Return

Note: RFAs and ERFAs are not technically under contract, but the Saints currently hold contractual rights to those players

K Major · 01-26-2022, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks...

My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time...

With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it...

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

saintfan · 01-26-2022, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

Me too...

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz?

McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard...

But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him...

Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average...

The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go...

saintfan · 01-26-2022, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

Agree with all this - we never lined up on Armstead tho, until now, sort of. I would love to keep him. But I'm sure not breaking the bank or sacrificing another position to compete with the offers he will probably get.

01-25-2022, 07:02 PM	#131
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,182	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook We always knew the offense would look and function differently with a new QB at the helm, now it's likely going to be completely different with a new HC. I wonder if Pete Carmichael stays and has more control over the offense.

01-25-2022, 07:05 PM	#132
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,802 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now... It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it. And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves. Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.
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01-26-2022, 09:18 AM	#133
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by lee909 It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it. And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves. Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in. Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... jnormand likes this.
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01-26-2022, 09:29 AM	#134
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,618 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...[/B] I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup. Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one . Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-26-2022, 10:32 AM	#135
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup. Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one . Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round. You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks... My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time... With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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01-26-2022, 10:34 AM	#136
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2022 New Orleans Saints - Offseason OFFENSE QB (3) 7 - Taysom Hill, 16 - Ian Book, 6 – Blake Bortles (RFC 2022) RB (4) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 14 - Mark Ingram, 21 - Tony Jones Jr. FB (1) 46 - Adam Prentice, 45 – Garrett Griffin (RFC 2022) WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 17 - Kevin White (RFC 2022) WR-S (2) 1 - Marquez Callaway, 80 - Kawaan Baker (RFC 2022), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (RFA 2022) LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Ethan Greenidge (RFA 2022) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton C (1) 78 - Erik McCoy, 68 - Cohl Cabral (RFC 2022) RG (1) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 63 - Jerald Hawkins (RFC 2022) RT (1) 74 - James Hurst, 67 - Landon Young TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett, 89 - Dylan Soehner, 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2022) WR-Z (2) *11 - Deonte Harty (RFA 2022), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (RFC 2022), 18 - Easop Winston (RFC 2022)* DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 96 - Carl Granderson (ERFA 2022) NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle (RFA 2022), 95 - Albert Huggins (ERFA 2022), 77 - Jalen Dalton (ERFA 2022) DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach (RFC 2022), 52 – Braxton Hoyett (RFC 2022) LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 50 - Andrew Dowell SLB (2) 55 - Kaden Elliss, 53 - Zach Baun, 59 - Sharif Finch (RFC 2022) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 25 - Ken Crawley, 37 – Dylan Maybin (RFC 2022) NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 35 - KeiVarae Russell (RFC 2022) FS (2) 48 - J.T. Gray SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 31 - Bryce Thompson (RFC 2022) LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo, 21 - Bradley Roby, 36 - Jordan Miller (RFC 2022) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz, 6 - Brett Maher (RFA 2021) P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood RS () 11 - Deonte Harty (RFA 2022]* 90-man Roster Count - Total: 63; Offense: 31; Defense: 28; Kicking: 4 Reserve/Injured KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent (FA 2022) Restricted Free Agent (RFA 2022) Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2022) Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2022) Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#) Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2022) Waivers (Wv 2022) Practice Squad (PS 2022) Reserve/Injured (NFI), Reserve/Non-Football Injury (NFI), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) Reserve/Retired Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner STATUS: OUT - Out/Left Game INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad LP - Limited Practice DNP - Did Not Practice CP - Concussion Protocol DTR - Designated To Return Note: RFAs* and ERFAs are not technically under contract, but the Saints currently hold contractual rights to those players**
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01-26-2022, 10:43 AM	#137
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,618 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks... My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time... With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it... Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. jeanpierre likes this.

01-26-2022, 10:45 AM	#138
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. Me too... jeanpierre likes this.

01-26-2022, 10:51 AM	#139
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz? McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard... But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him... Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average... The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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01-26-2022, 11:02 AM	#140
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... Agree with all this - we never lined up on Armstead tho, until now, sort of. I would love to keep him. But I'm sure not breaking the bank or sacrificing another position to compete with the offers he will probably get.