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Well you clearly don't know a thing about lawyering either - posting the obvious again to make yourself relevant in the conversation. Another day, 75 more posts from speedo, 74 of which aren't necessary... :rolleyes:

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The guy seems like a douchebag. The type that thinks he's way more important than he really is.

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We talking about the guy that got beat up or speedo?

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Oh man...... that was funny!!

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Here's a hypothetical:

I'm at a lounge in Vegas with my wife - a new one, not the crazy ex one - and speedo is that the end of the bar. He makes an advance while I'm in the can. I find out and laugh him off cause my wife can handle herself. Through the night he sits in his seat and continues to make comments - unwelcome comments to my wife and to other women there with other men, and at some point pretty much everybody in the bar tells him to shut his pie hole.

And yet he just WILL NOT stop. It's almost as if he's brain damaged, because any reasonable person would have stopped when his target rejected his advances. He keeps on. Other people at the bar lean in and tell him to stop, but he just laughs and keeps on keeping on.

Eventually the wifey and I and a few other couples stand up to leave and speedo follows us out of the bar and continues his advances and lude comments as we're walking to the elevator - the arrogant little pissant actually tries to get on the elevator WITH us. Some dude puts his hand squarely in speedo's chest and tells him to "catch the next car, bud." Speedo says "I can get on any elevator I want." Dude advises him he's about to make a career decision. Speedo tries once more the dude physically shoves him out of the car, at which point speedo begins saying some pretty disgusting things to wifey and the others. The dude starts toward him now and speedo turns and runs.

The right move here is to let him run away. Because he's clearly a sad little man and the issue is over. Instead, the dude, who has had enough whiskey in him to be reactive decides to go after speedo. Others join in because little speedo has been harassing everybody's ladies all night long. He gets his :censored: kicked.

Then speedo whines at the hospital about being a victim of an unwarranted attack and can only remember me because he knows for sure I'm the richest guy in the crowd that kicked the crap out of him?

If you're the judge, and my history is one of passive peace and it's clear little speedo was antagonizing me and others all night, what do you do?

I NEVER advocate for violence. But in the immortal words of Chris Rock, "I understand."

Now this is just a hypothetical. We don't know nearly enough. Kamara was in the wrong, but how wrong? Roger will drop the hammer on him, because he's Roger, and those are the rules everybody agreed to. I'm just not prepared to weigh in on Kamara's character. Antonio Brown, yeah, but not Kamara. At least not yet.

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:broccoli:

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I think the recent statement by AK legal team about doing their own investigation probably means they are going to conjure up a story that will hopefully get AK off.

Two dumb moves by AK, hitting that dude and talking to police without legal representation present.

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Definitely not justifying it - we agree 110%. I am just providing an example of how a guy can end up getting the hell beat out of him and trying to be a victim of someone else when he's truly a victim of his own actions. See speedo...

My biggest wish, because I do believe Kamara is a quality human being from all accounts, is that he learn that his actions were wrong. If what we think we know about him is true then he will.

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I believe we are better NFL fans than most because of our grounding. Having high values without a touch of humanity wold make us idealists.

It is this humanity/grounding that prevents me from seeing this as any reflection on his character. As far as I am aware there was no contemplation just before this, it was heat of the moment, the contemplation and reflection (our character) came after. Is there anything about this on Kamara's twitter or IG...no he isnt talking ****.

Besides that my friend.... I don't dare even look at the high moral ground from the position that I occupy, actions in combat might be righteous but they certainly are not virtuous.

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That's where my brain is on the issue, I just couldn't figure out a way to articulate it. lol

As for your service, many thanks. I can't relate but I can appreciate. I grew up on a base - I learned when I was a kid to stop asking for details to painful stories.

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Obviously I am trying to put myself into another person's shoes, and that his hard to do. I just cannot fathom how Kamara, with all the money he has to lose, hanging out with multiple friends, felt like he needed to respond with physical force against some dude when any of the guys hanging with him would have willingly fought the dude for him.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the victim had been following Kamara around all night talking trash. Apparently, his twitter account reveals that he is bit of a troll. I'm not passing judgement on this until all the facts come out. Kamara has earned my respect with his actions in the past. It's not like he fought dogs to the death for fun.

It was likely a long night and he was just tired of this guy's antics. Personally, I believe that he was coerced earlier in the evening and only time will tell.

Godhell probably paid this guy to do it. Lol. Kamara's known to be a laid back guy and I hope he's the face of the franchise for a long time.

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National Felony League....not bad.

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So basically kind of what’s been going on here lately?

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speedo's getting paid to be a **ick?

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Up until the game where he pushed Dolphins DT Wilkins after Wilkins stole his towel I don't recall AK being retaliatory or aggressive. He's always smiling when the camera is on him. I genuinely hope that he's doing alright personally but indeed he must be held to account for his behavior in Las Vegas.

That bit about "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" is a thing of the past. There are cameras everywhere.

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Where do you think your donations go? :doh:

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Not to minimize the charges against Kamara didn't we get to witness Mixon run "free" last night? I guess cold cocking a woman while in college is okay?

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He needs to get his check book out and settle with this guy. Sad but true.

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I consider it an investment.

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Not good optics. While some here feel it is "no big deal" to see folks beat the crap out of others, it sure is according to the law.

Not saying everyone involved, including the troll that agitated, don't have some responsibility.

I don't know anything about the agitator or Kamara's "associates" but if this all started because someone was called ugly it is really high schoolish.

Kamara is my favorite Saint but I must call it as i see it. A troll gets a pay day and I am sure his face will heal. Kamara gets a lighter wallet, potentially in trouble with the courts, never can regain his reputation.

Nonsensical.

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Add'l charges (conspiracy to commit battery) have now been added to Kamara' actions in Las Vegas...

Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson told local reporters that those involved must be held accountable.

"There’s a point where enough is enough," Wolfson said in the statement. "Be responsible because they have so much to lose and it’s sad...

...Conspiracy to commit battery in the state of Nevada is a gross misdemeanor while battery resulting in substantial bodily harm is a felony...

...Kamara was booked on the latter charge back on Feb. 6 after the conclusion of the Pro Bowl.

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That lesser charge might be a good thing for Kamara. If he is found guilty of anything that would be preferable.

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A Kansas City Chiefs player was among three other people charged in a beating that occurred Feb. 5 in Las Vegas, for which New Orleans running back Alvin Kamara was arrested.

Cornerback Chris Lammons has been charged with conspiracy to commit battery and battery resulting in substantial bodily harm, according to Las Vegas Justice Court records.

The 26-year-old Lammons, Kamara and two other men — Percy Harris and Darrin Young — have been charged in the attack, which left a man unconscious with a right orbital fracture around 6:30 a.m. at Drai’s After Hours nightclub at the Cromwell, according to the Las Vegas Sun

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Kamara in Dallas today...

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Big day for him today. It’s his court date I believe.

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Case pushed back to April 25th, not good for the Saints. The Saints really needed this to be resolved before free agency and especially the draft. I guess it's possible to have this resolved before the draft, but it's really cutting it close.

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The date wasn't a "court date". It was only a date designated to report on the progress of the investigation. The April 25th date would be the next date for any progress report. Formal charges won't actually be filed until the investigative stage is complete from what was reported several weeks ago. There's a very real possibility it won't be resolved for many, many months.

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LOL. You don't say! You mean, Mr Obvious, they won't file formal charges until they're done investigating? Well hell, thank you for sharing Mr Lawyer. :rolleyes:

Clearly you didn't get a law degree from LSU in tandem with your bookkeeping certificate.

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So another court date was set in the legal proceedings for Alvin Kamara...

Kamara may not be compelled to personally be there, but his representation none the less will need to be there...

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I am wondering when Goodell is going to impose the suspension on him? I would assume Goodell will at least wait to see what the exact charges will be, guess it's difficult to say at this point. I am not sure if this case will take all that long to get resolved, and I say that because of the video evidence and AK spoke to the police without his attorney present and basically confessed to hitting the guy.

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The "new" policy from the league office is to supposedly wait for the final determination in potentially criminal issues before applying league sanctions. That all depends upon how quickly Nevada moves. I know things slowed down tremendously when the pandemic was at it's height. My wife's job deals with civil court cases here in Louisiana and the dockets had been pushed back for over a year. They are multiple years in on some now.

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