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I'm not the one facing criminal charges. You're being condescending.

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It could have happened but it didn’t. I can’t judge everything through the lens of what could have happened. If dude would have died I’m perfectly fine having a different conversation, but I still wouldn’t lose any respect for Kamara. That would have been an unintended consequence of their actions. We all know they weren’t hitting the man with intent to kill.

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No, but we can conduct ourselvesthrough the lens of what could happen.

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Sometimes we do. Sometimes we don’t. None of us are so perfect that we do everything by the book on the off chance that something bad could happen. Driving above the speed limit could be dangerous and result in the death of yourself and others, but I’m pretty sure we all creep over it from time to time. I come from places where people get jumped on all the time. Different lived experiences I guess.

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I get they point you're trying to make but 35 in a 30 and chasing a man then pummeling him with your crew 'aint in the same ball park.

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It just doesn’t bother me like that. Maybe I’m desensitized to violence, but I don’t even blink an eye at the situation. I watched people get jumped into gangs. I watched people get jumped in clubs. I watched people get jumped in locker rooms. It just doesn’t register as a big deal to me.

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There are some here that think this behavior is not that big of a deal. But had that guy been their friend, family member or someone they know well, they'd have a different attitude.

I agree with some other posters here that the initial alteration wasn't a problem. It was how they chased him down and continued the beating after he was on the ground. And with all of them doing it, it comes off as cowardly.

I'm not saying the guy is some kind of saint. I'm just saying the chasing down and subsequent all out beat down 4 vs 1 was uncalled for. That's not justice and it shows a character flaw.

If AK had issue with this dude and the two of them went to throwing punches at each other on their own accord, that's one thing. But chasing him down and 4 vs 1? Nothing honorable about that. Nothing.

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He’s not my friend. He’s not my family member. He’s not somebody I know. And he’s more than likely about to get a nice check. Had it been my friend, family member, or somebody I know I'm not running to the police about it. 🤷🏽*♂️

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Touchy subject indeed. My gut feeling is Unless the guy was armed or
had done something serious (like a rape or a murder) then there isn’t much justification for multiple guys to do what was shown on the video to one guy.

I can appreciate that others see it differently. There are MANY factors at play. I’m gonna put my 10 foot pole away now.

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What was shown on the video? The video has never been released. No official details of the video have been released, either. Only speculation about what may be on the video has been spread.

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You haven’t been keeping up? You don’t remember the clip that was shown at the time of the arrest? You think the police haven’t mentioned video evidence? Keep up Guids…

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Yes I have kept up. I guess you haven't. There is absolutely video evidence. Where is this supposed "clip" and can you say you saw it? Go back and listen to the interview with the legal expert, Drew Davenport, earlier in this thread. He said that video of the encounter has never been released. Basically only the hotel, the court, the prosecution, and the defense team have viewed it. He added that he would be able to retire if he got a dollar for every video that was claimed to show one thing actually showed something else. He also said the video may never be released to the public and gave an example of a gag order keeping a video confidential.

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At the time off his arrest a viral video was out of him and his posse punching and kicking the man. Sorry you missed it.

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You missed it, as well, because it has never been shared. One would expect a "viral video" to be easily assessible, right? The surveillance video has been referenced often, but has never been released. If you have a couple of hours to blow you can go out and search the world wide web for said video, but I fear you'll come up empty. I can save you the time, however, as I have searched far and wide and the widely mentioned video has only been described (second handedly in that), but is nowhere to be seen.

I'll gladly admit that both the legal expert, Drew Davenport, that has been covering this case from day one, and I are wrong about the video not having been shared outside the hotel, cops, and court if you can show a link to the actual video. If it ever made it out there, and especially given you claim it was "viral", it should be easy for you to find, right?

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It appears the police are sharing a different story of what happened now.

NFL still monitoring battery case for New Orleans Saints' Alvin Kamara, source says

Alvin Kamara 's offseason arrest remains under league review and the NFL is monitoring all legal developments, including his Aug. 1 court date, a source told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler.

Sources told ESPN that there's no firm timeline on a decision on discipline for Kamara under the personal conduct policy, which opens the door for the New Orleans Saints running back to be available Week 1 -- unless he is placed on paid leave via the commissioner's exempt list.

League sources told ESPN that the feeling is that Kamara could be suspended, but nothing is firm and much could depend on the findings of the case.

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The Aug. 1 hearing has already twice been postponed after attorneys have asked for more time to review evidence turned over by prosecutors.

Police have said video evidence shows Kamara put his hand on the alleged victim's chest to stop him from stepping toward the elevator early Feb. 5 at the rooftop nightclub Drai's. The man pushed Kamara's hand away and Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Chris Lammons punched the man, according to police.

The man fell unconscious on the floor and the defendants, which also included two other men, allegedly stomped on his face, chest and legs, leaving him with facial fractures and injuries to his head, knees and arms.

When referencing the yet to be shared video the police do not mention any chasing down of the "alleged victim" which some have claimed. No mention of Kamara landing punches. They're now saying that the video shows Lammons punched the guy and knocked him out. This certainly may take some time to be resolved.

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Someone started it, Alvin just ended it.

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Where ya' been, my friend? At least around here. See you and yours all the time on FB.

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League set the bar low on this one; Kamara should only get a one game pre-season suspension!

Deshaun Watson suspended six games


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ded-six-games/

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The league has nothing to do with the six games. That was all on the independent judge. However, the league now has three days to appeal and Goodell can issue whatever punishment he wishes ... a full year suspension, for example. The NFLPA can only sue the league at that point, but cannot appeal his decision.

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I understand there were no criminal charges pursued against either Watson or Roethlisburger. But 1 accusation = 6 game suspension and 20+ accusations = 6 game suspension seems a little odd.

Like Guido said, the league can appeal and extend the suspension and maybe fine him. But it sure looks like he is getting his best case scenario so far.

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Tiered NFL justice system... just like in real life?

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Back to the thread topic and as no surprise the investigatory hearing has once again been postponed to at least two months from now.

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The precedent has been set

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I fear that whenever the dust settles Kamara will get far far more than 6 games. See the arbiter Robinson's statement yesterday and how it was stressed that the Massage Watson penalty was 6 games because it was non-violent. Sorry to be negative, but I have the sense they're going to make an example of Kamara and they just set the precedent to do it..

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Ray Rice says hello...

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I have a feeling the defense is building a case with all of these requested postponements that may end up showing the "alleged victim" was the perpetrator.

And don't forget, Judge Robinson's sentencing is not binding if appealed by the league or the NFLPA. What Watson did to those women was far more atrocious than what the three men (the ones that did the alleged kicking) that were in the company of Kamara did to that guy.

All that said, we'll most likely have to wait until after the season to see what becomes of the accusations. At that point the league wouldn't want an example. The best they could hope for is that it disappears. Don't forget about the gun incident with Lattimore. It went away and the league couldn't have been more pleased.

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Saw that Brady gets nothing for his shenanigans with Miami while Miami brass get the shaft. Looks like the league is more interested in Brady playing than any justice. Must be nice to be a "star" player that brings in plenty of fans attention. Bottom line. MONEY. Which is more proof of the NFL screwing teams out of playoff and superbowl opportunities and favoring others.

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Nor should he have. Tampering is a rule set forth for the franchises alone. It applies to a team or their representatives talking business with an individual or their representation while that individual is under contract with another franchise. Any player or coach or any other individual under contract by definition cannot be at fault under the rule.

Justice is served perfectly by having Ross and the Dolphins' franchise getting hit with the punishment. They are the only ones at fault. You should be happy those money grabbers got want they deserved.

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Damn . Wish he could just pay the guy off. He learns from it and the guy gets a fat payday so he can go back to sitting on the sidelines on 3rd down.

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We may have to cut him. Are there special cap rules if a player gets in trouble with the law and goes to jail?

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I hope we dont do that.

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Um, this is America, remember? I believe there is suppose to be a trial first. Until then the person is innocent until proven guilty beyond a questionable doubt. I read it is going to be extremely difficult to prove that Kamara was the one that inflicted the "substantial bodily harm" (broken orbital) associated with the felony charge given at least two of the other three defendants reportedly stomped on the man's head while Kamara supposedly only delivered some punches. This is the opinion of a legal expert published several months ago. The article has disappeared off into Twitter land and I can't track it down again.

The expert also said Kamara is more likely to receive a misdemeanor battery verdict, if convicted of anything, which wouldn't result in any jail time especially given his clean record.

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Yeah. That would be pretty shortsighted.

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Ray Rice never played another down.

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Ray Rice beat a woman. He was the first example. Etcetera.