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AsylumGuido 03-03-2023 09:37 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 970586)
I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether.

Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead.

It really can be that easy.

Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal?

Who knows, maybe it's just me lol
I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.

K Major 03-03-2023 10:25 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
List of needs for New Orleans Saints in 2023.

RB "CHECK"

K Major 03-03-2023 10:26 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
That suspension is coming. You can believe dat.

mapcow 03-03-2023 10:28 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
The Thug needs to go... bye Alvin.

mapcow 03-03-2023 10:34 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970566)
:rofl::rofl:
says the rumor mill person.... food poisoning was it.. :beatnik:

mapcow 03-03-2023 10:37 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 970564)
Why would I block you? I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself. :doh:
Not as much as I enjoy reading and adequately point out the idiocy of your posts. along with that quido POS :rofl: ..... :beatnik:

mapcow 03-03-2023 10:40 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Saints Win Loss for 2023 season

2 wins (gimme games)
4 wins (nail biter)
11 losses ( sound ass kicking)

rezburna 03-03-2023 10:45 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970608)
That suspension is coming. You can believe dat.
With the trial being July 31st if they could get it pushed back a few months he might can squeeze out another year lol.

AsylumGuido 03-03-2023 11:04 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 970613)
With the trial being July 31st if they could get it pushed back a few months he might can squeeze out another year lol.
I mentioned something similar earlier. Any ruling by the league's disciplinary officer will likely be sometime during the season even if there are no continuations. We should have his contribution early, at least.

SmashMouth 03-03-2023 11:06 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 970613)
With the trial being July 31st if they could get it pushed back a few months he might can squeeze out another year lol.
I see what you did there with the butt cheeks comment and possible jail time.


:bugeyes:

:rofl:

K Major 03-03-2023 11:22 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
LMAO, sir Smash!

You are wild!!

AsylumGuido 03-03-2023 11:42 AM
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halloween 65 03-03-2023 01:04 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970604)
I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.
He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

K Major 03-03-2023 01:35 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 970628)
Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?
Precisely.

rezburna 03-03-2023 02:46 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 970628)
He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?
I agree with the part of it being my kid. If it was my kid I’m waging war. It ain’t though. He should have just extorted him for money and went about his life.

subguy 03-04-2023 06:29 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970604)
I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.
I think there is so much irony today in the era of cell cam videos.

First, no one does the right thing and help anyone, we would rather film it, that is so messed up. Although, there would have been no help in the video I saw because everyone was too busy taking whacks at the defenseless piñata.

As a fan, I love Kamara, as part of the human race, I loathe his actions in this specific situation, at least from what I have seen in the videos released.

The legal system will allow for posturing and negotiation, as it should. A non-guilty verdict doesn't mean he wasn't part of the defenseless beating, that is irrefutable. In some folks mind, our system is only fair, when the ruling goes the direction they want it to go. OJ.

Which leads me to the second point. Video is now used as a narrative. We only see what they want us to see. I didn't see a complete video showing the catalyst which caused the beating. That said, there is a point where defending yourself, or your bruised ego, has gone too far. Kind of like many of the "undeserved" beatings seen in cell videos. It looks horrific, and is, and then the complete video or bodycam footage is released and you realize in the vast majority of these situations it could have been avoided with respect and compliance. If Kamara started out as a victim in this situation the tide sure changed.

In the limo immediately following the beating, the optics are bad. The group was a little too jovial considering what had just occurred, at least in the little clip shared.

As a Saints fan I hope this all works out well for the team, but as a human with some lingering faith in the justice system, I hope real justice is served regardless of which way this falls.

vpheughan 03-04-2023 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted with EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM by: AsylumGuido:




AsylumGuido: "Over the last 55 plus years (EXTREME) they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family." (UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM )

AsylumGuido: "After a few seconds Kamara backs off ("I will always stand for and protect my family.") while the other three keep at it with far more intensity......................."


Completely ignoring that another human being was on the receiving end of the "INTENSITY". After all "he wasn't family" was he?


FANATIC
fə-năt′ĭk
noun
A person marked or motivated by an EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTUSIASIM, as for a cause. ("HIS" SAINTS)

AsylumGuido 03-04-2023 12:42 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 970668)
Originally Posted with EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM by: AsylumGuido:




AsylumGuido: "Over the last 55 plus years (EXTREME) they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family." (UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM )

AsylumGuido: "After a few seconds Kamara backs off ("I will always stand for and protect my family.") while the other three keep at it with far more intensity......................."


Completely ignoring that another human being was on the receiving end of the "INTENSITY". After all "he wasn't family" was he?


FANATIC
fə-năt′ĭk
noun
A person marked or motivated by an EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTUSIASIM, as for a cause. ("HIS" SAINTS)
The fanatic part is correct. You, of course, know that's the source of the term "fan", right? :D

As for 55 years being "EXTREME", it can be deemed extreme, I suppose. In the Spring of 1967 my father was transferred via the USAF to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana. I was nine years old. I soon discovered my new home was getting an NFL team and I was onboard as a "fan" from day one. That was 55 years ago.

Yes, I proudly wear the title of being a "fanatic" about MY Saints. And I really don't care a bit what you or anyone else thinks about that.

:bng:

AsylumGuido 03-23-2023 08:35 AM
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The conspiracy charge is realistically the only one of the two that could apply to Kamara. It sounds like they may have a case to have that charge thrown out, as well. There's a chance that he may not be facing any suspension whatsoever.

Rugby Saint II 03-27-2023 01:23 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 970628)
He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?
I'm not so sure that the instigator was fleeing the scene or being knocked out of the elevator by AK. There is no doubt that AK should have let it go, but the dude was harassing them all night and apparently Kamara had enough when he started touching a female in the group.

My first martial arts instructor told me that if you get the better of a man then you should finish the fight before you let him get up even madder than when he started the fight. I still follow that philosophy when I teach my martial arts classes.

With the advent of cell phones no one wants to get involved and would rather post videos of altercations for clicks. It's sad. You can't even put a bully in their place anymore because all the judges care about now is a clip of a video with no relevance to who started it.

My twin brother and I were bullied badly as boys and my parents put us in martial arts to learn to defend ourselves and others. Children can be so mean and they grow up to be mean people who raise mean kids.

I'm not advocating beating up bullies but I certainly understand the mentality of the abused. We'll let this play out in court. Not the court of public opinion.

Edit: This wasn't some boy who got beat down. He was a full grown man with an antagonistic attitude that flowed over to his social media, and is readily available if anyone wants to read it. Yes, he is somebody's son like you mentioned but once again, he is still a full grown man who put himself in that situation with his poor decision making. Kamara put himself in court with poor decision making as well.

saintsfan1976 03-27-2023 01:39 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Learned my lesson. Gonna reserve judgement. Even with video, appearances can deceive...

Rugby Saint II 04-02-2023 02:44 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
It was not like mild mannered Alvin to get so enraged. Sometimes your posse gets you into trouble running with the wrong crowd. The video of him bragging in the limo about the beat down was disturbing to me. It had thug written all over it.

This wasn't an MMA fight but AK looked the part of an MMA fighter. ;)

Rugby Saint II 04-05-2023 12:06 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 972343)
It was not like mild mannered Alvin to get so enraged. Sometimes your posse gets you into trouble running with the wrong crowd. The video of him bragging in the limo about the beat down was disturbing to me. It had thug written all over it.

This wasn't an MMA fight but AK looked the part of an MMA fighter. ;)
Looking back on it that post was in poor taste. My apologies.

jnormand 04-05-2023 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 972499)
Looking back on it that post was in poor taste. My apologies.
Meh. I guess if you feel it was, that’s fine. But I don’t think it was in poor taste. You threw out your opinion on the matter from what information was available to you. Nothing wrong with that.

I guess if someone was offended by your post, then they should either grow up or grow a set.

My opinion is that this country is far too worried about being politically correct for fear of being canceled or offending people with the truth.

Your analysis and opinion of the scenario based on the information available was accurate and I actually concur.

The only thing in “poor taste” was the actions of AK and his buddies.

Just my two insignificant cents. Lol.

rezburna 04-05-2023 01:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 972499)
Looking back on it that post was in poor taste. My apologies.
I appreciate you having social awareness and recognizing that some terms may be used in innocence, but it doesn't negate the fact that those same terms are used as dog whistles within certain communities and circles. I wish I could give it a +100.

K Major 04-05-2023 02:32 PM
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Meanwhile, the league is sitting somewhere wondering how long of a suspension they will "hand off" to Kamara without pay in 2023 for being a knucklehead.

Trust me, it's coming this season.

Good thing Jamaal is a capable RB & wearing black and gold now.

It is what it is.

rezburna 04-05-2023 02:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 972506)
Meanwhile, the league is sitting somewhere wondering how long of a suspension they will "hand off" to Kamara without pay in 2023 for being a knucklehead.

Trust me, it's coming this season.

Good thing Jamaal is a capable RB & wearing black and gold now.

It is what it is.
If they drop the charges how long you think they'll give him?

Boston Saint 04-05-2023 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 972507)
If they drop the charges how long you think they'll give him?
He’ll get life if it’s up to Gotohell.

K Major 04-05-2023 03:01 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 972507)
If they drop the charges how long you think they'll give him?
Based on the NFL code of conduct policy involving violence …

6 games minimum.

Hopefully I’m wrong.

AsylumGuido 04-05-2023 04:00 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 972508)
He’ll get life if it’s up to Gotohell.
It isn't up to Goodell anymore.

Rugby Saint II 04-06-2023 08:56 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 972513)
It isn't up to Goodell anymore.
But if it were up to him AK or any Saint would get life. That man holds a big grudge against either the Saints or Sean Payton. We're about to find out which one it is now that he's in Denver.

rezburna 04-06-2023 09:12 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 972509)
Based on the NFL code of conduct policy involving violence …

6 games minimum.

Hopefully I’m wrong.
Man. That's overkill. They need to re-evaluate these policies.

WW_Who_Dat 04-06-2023 09:45 AM
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Last player I remember being caught on camera punching out someone never played another down in the NFL … I think the NFL and owners take this kind of behavior very seriously as well they should. Actions have consequences … this was not a good look for Alvin and crew.

leilung 04-06-2023 10:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 972520)
Man. That's overkill. They need to re-evaluate these policies.
That very well be overkill, but a 6 game suspension is rarely served in full in the NFL. Based on past precedence, there will likely be an appeal and he MIGHT be off the field for 4 games.

WW_Who_Dat 04-06-2023 10:20 AM
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Not advocating just saying how similar incident have been handled in the past. I would agree whatever penalties that are handed out by the NFL will be appealed and as they say “it is what it is”.

Rugby Saint II 04-06-2023 10:50 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 972527)
Not advocating just saying how similar incident have been handled in the past. I would agree whatever penalties that are handed out by the NFL will be appealed and as they say “it is what it is”.
I understand that the NFL wants to maintain the integrity of the NFL but the NFL has none. Just the love of money and the need to protect the so called integrity of the shield. Was there integrity when the NFL was being sued for concussions and then they nailed us to the cross to make a statement that they were all about safety? :roll:

Nonetheless, players need to be held accountable for their actions. They are role models after all.

AsylumGuido 04-06-2023 11:42 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 972524)
Last player I remember being caught on camera punching out someone never played another down in the NFL … I think the NFL and owners take this kind of behavior very seriously as well they should. Actions have consequences … this was not a good look for Alvin and crew.
Big difference. The one was a case of domestic violence against a female by a single individual. The other was a case with possible indications of self-defense where the person of interest was the least involved of the four individuals that took part in the act.

K Major 04-06-2023 12:04 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by leilung (Post 972525)
That very well be overkill, but a 6 game suspension is rarely served in full in the NFL. Based on past precedence, there will likely be an appeal and he MIGHT be off the field for 4 games.
4 games for a gang assault? And apparently, caught on camera bragging about a beatdown? Another big mistake was AK going after someone walking backward with his friends.

Sometimes you just gotta be the bigger man & walk away.


Man, I simply don't see the league going easy on Kamara with his upcoming suspension.

cmike 04-06-2023 12:06 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 972524)
Last player I remember being caught on camera punching out someone never played another down in the NFL … I think the NFL and owners take this kind of behavior very seriously as well they should. Actions have consequences … this was not a good look for Alvin and crew.
Doubt that will happen in this case, especially since AK played last season.
But 6 games or more I can see.

WW_Who_Dat 04-06-2023 01:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cmike (Post 972539)
Doubt that will happen in this case, especially since AK played last season.
But 6 games or more I can see.
Wasn’t implying AK would not play again, if I recall correctly the player was suspended indefinitely, drop by his team. When reinstated he was never on another NFL roster.

Once it gets past the criminal portion of this event, you are correct on what level of sanction the NFL will be looking to impose. The “Optics” of AK and his friends actions are terrible and that will play a large part in the NFL’s response.


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