Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC

BakoSaint · 02-12-2022, 12:42 AM

Isnt the logical thing to speculate that Carmichael has some kind of health or personal issue? It doesnt make sense to turn down a head coaching interview and ask for a demotion because of some grand plan to get the same job he had for 15 years Paytons OC in another city maybe if Payton doesnt end up liking broadcasting or have the current coaches at his ideal landing spots do well and not get fired. If Carmichael takes the interview for head coach maybe he gets hired. Its unpredictable. Allen could have had contract issues or taken another job. Carmichaels interview with the Saints could have led to other interviews and a surprise hire in Houston. Staying as OC and having a head coach interview or two this year, Carmichael could have been a prime candidate for a head coaching gig next year, or parlayed other head coaching interviews into a coordinator gig on a better offense. Turning down interviews and asking for a demotion tells me Carmichaels big ambitions are over and he is winding things down, not that this is all part of the plan to become the next Kellen Moore maybe in a few years.

saintsfan1976 · 02-12-2022, 09:04 AM

Speculation overload.

halloween 65 · 02-12-2022, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Isnt the logical thing to speculate that Carmichael has some kind of health or personal issue? It doesnt make sense to turn down a head coaching interview and ask for a demotion because of some grand plan to get the same job he had for 15 years Paytons OC in another city maybe if Payton doesnt end up liking broadcasting or have the current coaches at his ideal landing spots do well and not get fired. If Carmichael takes the interview for head coach maybe he gets hired. Its unpredictable. Allen could have had contract issues or taken another job. Carmichaels interview with the Saints could have led to other interviews and a surprise hire in Houston. Staying as OC and having a head coach interview or two this year, Carmichael could have been a prime candidate for a head coaching gig next year, or parlayed other head coaching interviews into a coordinator gig on a better offense. Turning down interviews and asking for a demotion tells me Carmichaels big ambitions are over and he is winding things down, not that this is all part of the plan to become the next Kellen Moore maybe in a few years.

Or he might not like the way Allen's way of changing the O ? He!! he might not like Allen period? Somethings up.

AsylumGuido · 02-12-2022, 11:46 AM

He might be being promoted to associate head coach overseeing the offense. Or maybe he is suffering from a rare form of stress induced phobia that's triggered by defensive minded head coaches? Who knows? Saintsfan1976 put it perfectly ... speculation overload.

Time will tell.

AsylumGuido · 02-12-2022, 12:08 PM

Maybe Carmichael gets a similar position as this except Senior Offensive Assistant or such. All they have said is he's staying with the Saints in a position other than OC.

The Dude · 02-12-2022, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Isnt the logical thing to speculate that Carmichael has some kind of health or personal issue? It doesnt make sense to turn down a head coaching interview and ask for a demotion because of some grand plan to get the same job he had for 15 years Paytons OC in another city maybe if Payton doesnt end up liking broadcasting or have the current coaches at his ideal landing spots do well and not get fired. If Carmichael takes the interview for head coach maybe he gets hired. Its unpredictable. Allen could have had contract issues or taken another job. Carmichaels interview with the Saints could have led to other interviews and a surprise hire in Houston. Staying as OC and having a head coach interview or two this year, Carmichael could have been a prime candidate for a head coaching gig next year, or parlayed other head coaching interviews into a coordinator gig on a better offense. Turning down interviews and asking for a demotion tells me Carmichaels big ambitions are over and he is winding things down, not that this is all part of the plan to become the next Kellen Moore maybe in a few years.

I think Payton has a plan and was pretty transparent about it with Loomis, Mrs Benson and certain people close to him. There may be a handshake deal in place between him and Payton.

Rugby Saint II · 02-13-2022, 12:20 PM

Pete Carmichael is good. I'm glad that he's staying at home in some capacity. He knows X's & O's and understands Payton's innovative complex system. I honestly believe that he wants to be the power behind the throne and doesn't care about being center stage.

saintsfan1976 · 02-13-2022, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Pete Carmichael is good. I'm glad that he's staying at home in some capacity. He knows X's & O's and understands Payton's innovative complex system. I honestly believe that he wants to be the power behind the throne and doesn't care about being center stage.

We share the same opinion. What if Carmichael contemplated retirement but DA pulled him back in as a bridge to the next step?

SmashMouth · 02-13-2022, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Maybe Carmichael gets a similar position as this except Senior Offensive Assistant or such. All they have said is he's staying with the Saints in a position other than OC.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...30674636496897

Is he going to Ms Mae's en route for a drink with the little people ?

BakoSaint · 02-13-2022, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Or he might not like the way Allen's way of changing the O ? He!! he might not like Allen period? Somethings up.

If he did not like him he could take the head coach interview, and then if passed over ask to be released, and go elsewhere. Thats common when one coordinator gets the head gig the other asks to move on, its respected. He could prove elsewhere that he is good without Payton. I just think refusing an interview and asking for a demotion is a weird strategy for anything. If he wants to go back to being Paytons OC how does asking for a demotion help? And what kind of plan is that having no idea where Payton will end up or whether Payton will love broadcasting or whether the jobs Payton wants will come open?

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Isnt the logical thing to speculate that Carmichael has some kind of health or personal issue? It doesnt make sense to turn down a head coaching interview and ask for a demotion because of some grand plan to get the same job he had for 15 years Paytons OC in another city maybe if Payton doesnt end up liking broadcasting or have the current coaches at his ideal landing spots do well and not get fired. If Carmichael takes the interview for head coach maybe he gets hired. Its unpredictable. Allen could have had contract issues or taken another job. Carmichaels interview with the Saints could have led to other interviews and a surprise hire in Houston. Staying as OC and having a head coach interview or two this year, Carmichael could have been a prime candidate for a head coaching gig next year, or parlayed other head coaching interviews into a coordinator gig on a better offense. Turning down interviews and asking for a demotion tells me Carmichaels big ambitions are over and he is winding things down, not that this is all part of the plan to become the next Kellen Moore maybe in a few years. halloween 65 likes this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by BakoSaint Isnt the logical thing to speculate that Carmichael has some kind of health or personal issue? It doesnt make sense to turn down a head coaching interview and ask for a demotion because of some grand plan to get the same job he had for 15 years Paytons OC in another city maybe if Payton doesnt end up liking broadcasting or have the current coaches at his ideal landing spots do well and not get fired. If Carmichael takes the interview for head coach maybe he gets hired. Its unpredictable. Allen could have had contract issues or taken another job. Carmichaels interview with the Saints could have led to other interviews and a surprise hire in Houston. Staying as OC and having a head coach interview or two this year, Carmichael could have been a prime candidate for a head coaching gig next year, or parlayed other head coaching interviews into a coordinator gig on a better offense. Turning down interviews and asking for a demotion tells me Carmichaels big ambitions are over and he is winding things down, not that this is all part of the plan to become the next Kellen Moore maybe in a few years. Or he might not like the way Allen's way of changing the O ? He!! he might not like Allen period? Somethings up.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by BakoSaint Isnt the logical thing to speculate that Carmichael has some kind of health or personal issue? It doesnt make sense to turn down a head coaching interview and ask for a demotion because of some grand plan to get the same job he had for 15 years Paytons OC in another city maybe if Payton doesnt end up liking broadcasting or have the current coaches at his ideal landing spots do well and not get fired. If Carmichael takes the interview for head coach maybe he gets hired. Its unpredictable. Allen could have had contract issues or taken another job. Carmichaels interview with the Saints could have led to other interviews and a surprise hire in Houston. Staying as OC and having a head coach interview or two this year, Carmichael could have been a prime candidate for a head coaching gig next year, or parlayed other head coaching interviews into a coordinator gig on a better offense. Turning down interviews and asking for a demotion tells me Carmichaels big ambitions are over and he is winding things down, not that this is all part of the plan to become the next Kellen Moore maybe in a few years. I think Payton has a plan and was pretty transparent about it with Loomis, Mrs Benson and certain people close to him. There may be a handshake deal in place between him and Payton.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Pete Carmichael is good. I'm glad that he's staying at home in some capacity. He knows X's & O's and understands Payton's innovative complex system. I honestly believe that he wants to be the power behind the throne and doesn't care about being center stage. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Pete Carmichael is good. I'm glad that he's staying at home in some capacity. He knows X's & O's and understands Payton's innovative complex system. I honestly believe that he wants to be the power behind the throne and doesn't care about being center stage. We share the same opinion. What if Carmichael contemplated retirement but DA pulled him back in as a bridge to the next step? Rugby Saint II likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Maybe Carmichael gets a similar position as this except Senior Offensive Assistant or such. All they have said is he's staying with the Saints in a position other than OC. https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...30674636496897 Is he going to Ms Mae's en route for a drink with the little people ? K Major likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by halloween 65 Or he might not like the way Allen's way of changing the O ? He!! he might not like Allen period? Somethings up. If he did not like him he could take the head coach interview, and then if passed over ask to be released, and go elsewhere. Thats common when one coordinator gets the head gig the other asks to move on, its respected. He could prove elsewhere that he is good without Payton. I just think refusing an interview and asking for a demotion is a weird strategy for anything. If he wants to go back to being Paytons OC how does asking for a demotion help? And what kind of plan is that having no idea where Payton will end up or whether Payton will love broadcasting or whether the jobs Payton wants will come open? AsylumGuido likes this.
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