Deshaun Watson to Saints?

AsylumGuido · 03-18-2022, 05:54 PM

This is so sweet! The best possible scenario. Watson goes to the AFC. The Failclowns got their hopes up and were dashed again. We cleared all this cap and retained all of our draft picks and are now in a position to stock up in free agency and the draft. And, finally, we can bring back Winston. Now I just hope our game against the Browns this season is during Watson's suspension. THAT would be the icing on the cake.

jeanpierre · 03-18-2022, 07:15 PM

Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes...

Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen...

Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves...

Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft...

The Dude · 03-18-2022, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes...

Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen...

Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves...

Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft...

Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank.

jeanpierre · 03-18-2022, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank.

That was my initial take until the ole Lady got on a plane, flew to him to, #IDK, massage his feet or whatever. Saints FO were all in on this...

FinSaint · 03-18-2022, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen...

Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves...

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

jeanpierre · 03-18-2022, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan...

Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal...

And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class...

Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over...

As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...

FinSaint · 03-19-2022, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan...

Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal...

And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class...

Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over...

As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...

Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time.

Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt.

As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman.

Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league.

Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally?

I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league.

And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson.

TheOak · 03-19-2022, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally?

.

This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement.

The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here.

AsylumGuido · 03-19-2022, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time.

Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt.

As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman.

Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league.

Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally?

I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league.

And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson.

This right here!

BakoSaint · 03-18-2022, 08:51 PM

I could not disagree more with your disagreeing more.

I would exchange Loomis, Harley, and Ireland for the Patriots braintrust in a heartbeat, they won 6 super bowls without blowing up the cap as much as we did winning 1. Yeah, they had Brady, but we had Brees too. We are set up to fail for years with Peat, Hill, and Thomas repeatedly restructured owing them all kinds of future money.

Loomis and his team may want to win but hey my daughter wants a pony. She can't afford one. We can't afford a receiver who is good and has played the last two years. Thats because Loomis' cap wizardry is a spell where we magically get under the cap by putting ourselves in the same mess the next offseason and losing a star every season like Hendrickson, Sanders, Williams, and maybe Armstead. Its a magic trick where he makes stars disappear and wows the crowd that SOME stars are still in place. Other teams are improving in the offseason, teams with better records than us, and we are not. Our only hope was trying to lure a big QB with the prospect of playing alongside maybe zero good receivers, no good TE, and a declining oline, while ignoring his past history of tearing both ACLS and maybe raping 22 massage therapists. Thats just desperation.
We have the cap to cut Peat as a pre-June 1 cut. Make that happen Loomis. Start saving for a rainy day not making desperation moves.

Loomis trades away all our draft picks because he does not have the cajones to try to draft more good young players and move on from mistakes.

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

03-18-2022, 05:54 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? This is so sweet! The best possible scenario. Watson goes to the AFC. The Failclowns got their hopes up and were dashed again. We cleared all this cap and retained all of our draft picks and are now in a position to stock up in free agency and the draft. And, finally, we can bring back Winston. Now I just hope our game against the Browns this season is during Watson's suspension. THAT would be the icing on the cake.

03-18-2022, 07:15 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes... Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen... Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves... Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft...

03-18-2022, 07:30 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes... Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen... Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves... Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft... Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank.
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03-18-2022, 07:32 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by The Dude Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank. *That was my initial take until the ole Lady got on a plane, flew to him to, #IDK, massage his feet or whatever. Saints FO were all in on this...*

03-18-2022, 08:20 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen... Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves... I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.
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03-18-2022, 08:47 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him. Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan... Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal... And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class... Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over... As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...
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03-19-2022, 06:39 AM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan... Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal... And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class... Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over... As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team... Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time. Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt. As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman. Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league. Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally? I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league. And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson.
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03-19-2022, 07:03 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally? . This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement. The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here.

03-19-2022, 02:40 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time. Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt. As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman. Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league. Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally? I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league. And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson. This right here!

03-18-2022, 08:51 PM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? I could not disagree more with your disagreeing more. I would exchange Loomis, Harley, and Ireland for the Patriots braintrust in a heartbeat, they won 6 super bowls without blowing up the cap as much as we did winning 1. Yeah, they had Brady, but we had Brees too. We are set up to fail for years with Peat, Hill, and Thomas repeatedly restructured owing them all kinds of future money. Loomis and his team may want to win but hey my daughter wants a pony. She can't afford one. We can't afford a receiver who is good and has played the last two years. Thats because Loomis' cap wizardry is a spell where we magically get under the cap by putting ourselves in the same mess the next offseason and losing a star every season like Hendrickson, Sanders, Williams, and maybe Armstead. Its a magic trick where he makes stars disappear and wows the crowd that SOME stars are still in place. Other teams are improving in the offseason, teams with better records than us, and we are not. Our only hope was trying to lure a big QB with the prospect of playing alongside maybe zero good receivers, no good TE, and a declining oline, while ignoring his past history of tearing both ACLS and maybe raping 22 massage therapists. Thats just desperation. We have the cap to cut Peat as a pre-June 1 cut. Make that happen Loomis. Start saving for a rainy day not making desperation moves. Loomis trades away all our draft picks because he does not have the cajones to try to draft more good young players and move on from mistakes. Originally Posted by FinSaint I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.
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