Deshaun Watson to Saints?

saintsfan1976 · 03-12-2022, 02:33 PM

If he's truly not guilty then I'm all for it.

On the other hand, if he IS guilty then hell no.

Even if not this is something that's sure to drag on and on and on.

TheOak · 03-12-2022, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

If he's truly not guilty then I'm all for it.

On the other hand, if he IS guilty then hell no.

Even if not this is something that's sure to drag on and on and on.

A "no bill" from a Grand Jury is not a not guilty, it only speaks to the evidence that the prosecution presented to the Grand Jury. There was no full disclosure or trial.

Desean Watson has some of the best physical therapists and team masseurs that money can pay for but he chose to hit the happy ending private market lol. He may not be found guilty but he is faaarrrrr from innocent lol.

jnormand · 03-12-2022, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A "no bill" from a Grand Jury is not a not guilty, it only speaks to the evidence that the prosecution presented to the Grand Jury. There was no full disclosure or trial.

Desean Watson has some of the best physical therapists and team masseurs that money can pay for but he chose to hit the happy ending private market lol. He may not be found guilty but he is faaarrrrr from innocent lol.

This!

jeanpierre · 03-12-2022, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Probably a lot of the same kind of stuff went on behind the scenes back in the day when players actually had private lives.

Fin, you're likely right. But once made public, do we still condone that behaviour because they're professional athletes? or as a would-be just society, is their accountability?

jeanpierre · 03-12-2022, 07:01 PM

BakoSaint · 03-12-2022, 08:05 PM

I hope the Panthers get Watson and pay a kings ransom. I have no interest unless he comes cheap, which it seems like he won't. He has the hat trick of risk factors, a lot of past injuries, legal troubles that could come back again or be a precendent for future legal transgressions, attitude issues and history of holding out, significant time off that could leave him rusty or prone to injury, will require a lot of salary cap allocation, and will require a lot of draft picks to acquire. He could help come absolutely loaded team win in the short term but we are not that team, we have issues on oline and receiver and with out salary cap. The Panthers are not that team either. In general, teams that are not already loaded and don't have tons of free salary cap to load up further need a young low cost QB to win it all. Watson is a giant risk. He has torn both his ACLs in practice in his past history. Could we win a Superbowl with Watson and Michael Thomas? Perhaps. But the odds of them both being on the field to do it are not great when both present the full house of risk factors. Might be more likely they get in a fight with each other over a stripper where one gets charged with a felony and the other sustains a nagging injury.

ChrisXVI · 03-12-2022, 11:30 PM

Nobody actually thinks players behavior is worse now do they? Here’s some excerpts from a New York Times article from June 10, 1982 with former Saints DE Don Reese spilling the beans:

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/s...se-in-nfl.html

Player Tells of Wide Drug Use in NFL

… Reese says that he used cocaine with many players, and that he and other Saints indulged in free-basing, in which cocaine is heated and the fumes are inhaled...

… But life with the Saints, he said, ''was a horror show.'' ''Players snorted coke in the locker room before games and at halftime,'' he said, ''and stayed up all hours of the night roaming the streets to get more stuff. I know. I was one of them.''

The Dude · 03-13-2022, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Nobody actually thinks players behavior is worse now do they? Here’s some excerpts from a New York Times article from June 10, 1982 with former Saints DE Don Reese spilling the beans:

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/s...se-in-nfl.html

Player Tells of Wide Drug Use in NFL

… Reese says that he used cocaine with many players, and that he and other Saints indulged in free-basing, in which cocaine is heated and the fumes are inhaled...

… But life with the Saints, he said, ''was a horror show.'' ''Players snorted coke in the locker room before games and at halftime,'' he said, ''and stayed up all hours of the night roaming the streets to get more stuff. I know. I was one of them.''

Yea in the 70’s and 80’s can’t cocaine use was rampant among NFL players. It was almost acceptable. At the very least the NFL looked the other way.

jeanpierre · 03-13-2022, 11:22 AM

ChrisXVI · 03-13-2022, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1503036333769383938

Oh lord… we’re gonna lose Armstead, Marcus Williams and any first round pick for the foreseeable future. Not to mention any dwindling respectability the organization had.

03-12-2022, 02:33 PM	#1
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 If he's truly not guilty then I'm all for it. On the other hand, if he IS guilty then hell no. Even if not this is something that's sure to drag on and on and on. A "no bill" from a Grand Jury is not a not guilty, it only speaks to the evidence that the prosecution presented to the Grand Jury. There was no full disclosure or trial. Desean Watson has some of the best physical therapists and team masseurs that money can pay for but he chose to hit the happy ending private market lol. He may not be found guilty but he is faaarrrrr from innocent lol. jnormand, TheKillerBs and AsylumGuido like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,786	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by TheOak A "no bill" from a Grand Jury is not a not guilty, it only speaks to the evidence that the prosecution presented to the Grand Jury. There was no full disclosure or trial. Desean Watson has some of the best physical therapists and team masseurs that money can pay for but he chose to hit the happy ending private market lol. He may not be found guilty but he is faaarrrrr from innocent lol. This!

03-12-2022, 06:55 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint Probably a lot of the same kind of stuff went on behind the scenes back in the day when players actually had private lives. Fin, you're likely right. But once made public, do we still condone that behaviour because they're professional athletes? or as a would-be just society, is their accountability?

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,435	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? I hope the Panthers get Watson and pay a kings ransom. I have no interest unless he comes cheap, which it seems like he won't. He has the hat trick of risk factors, a lot of past injuries, legal troubles that could come back again or be a precendent for future legal transgressions, attitude issues and history of holding out, significant time off that could leave him rusty or prone to injury, will require a lot of salary cap allocation, and will require a lot of draft picks to acquire. He could help come absolutely loaded team win in the short term but we are not that team, we have issues on oline and receiver and with out salary cap. The Panthers are not that team either. In general, teams that are not already loaded and don't have tons of free salary cap to load up further need a young low cost QB to win it all. Watson is a giant risk. He has torn both his ACLs in practice in his past history. Could we win a Superbowl with Watson and Michael Thomas? Perhaps. But the odds of them both being on the field to do it are not great when both present the full house of risk factors. Might be more likely they get in a fight with each other over a stripper where one gets charged with a felony and the other sustains a nagging injury.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Nobody actually thinks players behavior is worse now do they? Here’s some excerpts from a New York Times article from June 10, 1982 with former Saints DE Don Reese spilling the beans: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/s...se-in-nfl.html Player Tells of Wide Drug Use in NFL … Reese says that he used cocaine with many players, and that he and other Saints indulged in free-basing, in which cocaine is heated and the fumes are inhaled... … But life with the Saints, he said, ''was a horror show.'' ''Players snorted coke in the locker room before games and at halftime,'' he said, ''and stayed up all hours of the night roaming the streets to get more stuff. I know. I was one of them.''
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Nobody actually thinks players behavior is worse now do they? Here’s some excerpts from a New York Times article from June 10, 1982 with former Saints DE Don Reese spilling the beans: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/s...se-in-nfl.html Player Tells of Wide Drug Use in NFL … Reese says that he used cocaine with many players, and that he and other Saints indulged in free-basing, in which cocaine is heated and the fumes are inhaled... … But life with the Saints, he said, ''was a horror show.'' ''Players snorted coke in the locker room before games and at halftime,'' he said, ''and stayed up all hours of the night roaming the streets to get more stuff. I know. I was one of them.'' Yea in the 70’s and 80’s can’t cocaine use was rampant among NFL players. It was almost acceptable. At the very least the NFL looked the other way. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1503036333769383938 Oh lord… we’re gonna lose Armstead, Marcus Williams and any first round pick for the foreseeable future. Not to mention any dwindling respectability the organization had. jnormand and stickman like this.