Deshaun Watson to Saints?

FinSaint · 03-19-2022, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan...

Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal...

And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class...

Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over...

As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...

Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time.

Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt.

As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman.

Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league.

Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally?

I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league.

And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson.

03-19-2022, 06:39 AM	#11
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan... Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal... And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class... Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over... As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team... Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time. Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt. As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman. Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league. Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally? I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league. And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson.
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