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ReillyBhoy 04-30-2022 05:47 PM
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Number of decent players about to become UDFA

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jeanpierre 04-30-2022 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951140)
I wish I could have done that draft on pff and see the grade they would get
It's a good exercise that shows, teaches really, with 80~85% accuracy how drafts are likely to play out based on consensus...

Problem is some teams may have connections to certain schools, agents, etc, that influence preferences, prejudices...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 08:48 PM
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neugey 04-30-2022 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951154)
It's a good exercise that shows, teaches really, with 80~85% accuracy how drafts are likely to play out based on consensus...

Problem is some teams may have connections to certain schools, agents, etc, that influence preferences, prejudices...
Fair enough. I'm biased based on the college teams I've had the chance to watch vs ones I haven't watched. And heck, even for the teams I did see a fair amount of - it's been well over 4 months ago now!

SmashMouth 04-30-2022 10:41 PM
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AsylumGuido 05-01-2022 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951139)
Are those opinions now convinced the Saints will get the MT of old? Is Marquez Callaway now seen as a capable WR ? Im asking Hopefully the indirect sarcasm is greater than the direct ignorance I get it. Opinions have been yearning a top WR for some seasons now almost like a goldigger looking/wanting/hoping for a rich husband. Opinions prayers were answered 🙏. Opinions no longer have to cry and complain at night about their worse nightmare.....Not having a top10 WR. Myself on the other hand ✋️ don't agree with the picks given up to manifest that dream. Trading up for Olave put the Saint as far as value out of the rest of the draft if anyone feels different your entitled to that.
I am 100% positive we will get the same Michael Thomas. I would suspect that the Saints are in agreement. Yes, the are some Doubting Thomas' out there, but what do they know that the Saints don't?

AsylumGuido 05-01-2022 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951140)
I wish I could have done that drafton pff and see the grade they would get
Those fan draft grades are meaningless. They are nothing more than a fun thing that fans can do while waiting for the real thing. They are based upon information that is far from adequate. They cannot take into consideration what the teams actually feel about the players after all of their intensive research.

AsylumGuido 05-01-2022 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951154)
It's a good exercise that shows, teaches really, with 80~85% accuracy how drafts are likely to play out based on consensus...

Problem is some teams may have connections to certain schools, agents, etc, that influence preferences, prejudices...
And the problem is that ALL teams have far more information on the players they choose or decide against choosing.

AsylumGuido 05-01-2022 08:20 AM
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ChrisXVI 05-01-2022 09:18 AM
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D’Marco Jackson reminds me of a lighter Craig Robertson.

ChrisXVI 05-01-2022 09:46 AM
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K Major 05-01-2022 09:47 AM
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^^ This right here.

The Dude 05-01-2022 09:58 AM
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Whatever. People ***** about the draft every single year and we were still in the playoffs every single year. I don’t count last year given the circumstances. No we don’t have Brees anymore but now Winston has more to work with than Brees had in his last few years. Finally have a pretty sure thing as far as WR goes and I would wager we find another surprise in UDFA. I’m not thrilled about our picks after day 1 either but we will see.

Crusader 05-01-2022 10:19 AM
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D’Marco Jackson reminds me of a lighter Craig Robertson.
If we could get similar production from him it would be a GREAT pick.

SmashMouth 05-01-2022 10:22 AM
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SmashMouth 05-01-2022 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 951191)
Whatever. People ***** about the draft every single year and we were still in the playoffs every single year. I don’t count last year given the circumstances. No we don’t have Brees anymore but now Winston has more to work with than Brees had in his last few years. Finally have a pretty sure thing as far as WR goes and I would wager we find another surprise in UDFA. I’m not thrilled about our picks after day 1 either but we will see.
While at first glance Day Three picks seem forgettable, after further investigation, they are are strong candidates to add depth. Both will likely be stashed on the practice squad. Both their RAS scores are out of sight... a common theme now with new Saints talent. Fun times to see it play out. :bng:

ChrisXVI 05-01-2022 10:36 AM
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The only day three player we’ve drafted in the last five years who has made any contribution is CJGJ. If we want to expand it further, you can add Onyemata and Kenny Stills to make a grand total of three in the last ten years.

We draft a guy like Landon Young and people think he’s going to be our starting LT of the future and one year later we’re using a first rounder on a LT. Stop stressing about day three picks.

AsylumGuido 05-01-2022 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951199)
The only day three player we’ve drafted in the last five years who has made any contribution is CJGJ. If we want to expand it further, you can add Onyemata and Kenny Stills to make a grand total of three in the last ten years.

We draft a guy like Landon Young and people think he’s going to be our starting LT of the future and one year later we’re using a first rounder on a LT. Stop stressing about day three picks.
Thank you, Chris.

Rell&Gold 05-01-2022 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951177)
Those fan draft grades are meaningless. They are nothing more than a fun thing that fans can do while waiting for the real thing. They are based upon information that is far from adequate. They cannot take into consideration what the teams actually feel about the players after all of their intensive research.
Guido you can stop hovering over my post bro. Duhhh it's meaningless your assumptions about Saints transactions why they did certain things is meaningless. "The teams have more information on the players than we do" No!....Really! I thought our mock drafts got sent to the Saints draft room and they went with one that best fulfilled their needs...Thanks Guido for replying

Rell&Gold 05-01-2022 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951199)
The only day three player we’ve drafted in the last five years who has made any contribution is CJGJ. If we want to expand it further, you can add Onyemata and Kenny Stills to make a grand total of three in the last ten years.

We draft a guy like Landon Young and people think he’s going to be our starting LT of the future and one year later we’re using a first rounder on a LT. Stop stressing about day three picks.
Kaden Ellis David Onyematta Paulson Adebo Trey Hendrickson Al Qadim Muhammad CJCG Troutman to name a few all were in the third round AK and Anzalone all 3rd round players. Contributors to the Saints currently or for another team at this moment . Indirect assumptions Landon Young ? Who mentioned Landon Young as an example I know the 3rd has been one of the Saints most successful rounds for drafting players in recent years and we traded both of them away. You can take your opinion and sit it right next to Landon Young wherever he may be

ChrisXVI 05-01-2022 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951204)
Kaden Ellis David Onyematta Paulson Adebo Trey Hendrickson Al Qadim Muhammad CJCG Troutman to name a few all were in the third round AK and Anzalone all 3rd round players. Contributors to the Saints currently or for another team at this moment . Indirect assumptions Landon Young ? Who mentioned Landon Young as an example I know the 3rd has been one of the Saints most successful rounds for drafting players in recent years and we traded both of them away. You can take your opinion and sit it right next to Landon Young wherever he may be
Day three.

Rell&Gold 05-01-2022 01:19 PM
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[QUOTE=ChrisXVI;951199]The only day three player we’ve drafted in the last five years who has made any contribution is CJGJ. If we want to expand it further, you can add Onyemata and Kenny Stills to make a grand total of three in the last ten years.

We draft a guy like Landon Young and people think he’s going to be our starting LT of the future and one year later we’re using a first rounder on a LT. Stop stressing about day
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iceshack149 05-01-2022 10:07 PM
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For what it's worth, the Saints gave up the most punt return yards in the league last season. These picks in the mid to late rounds of the draft addressed that. Alonte Taylor should be a good gunner and I'll bet that we'll see a lot of Smoke on Special Teams this season.

Boston Saint 05-02-2022 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 951239)
For what it's worth, the Saints gave up the most punt return yards in the league last season. These picks in the mid to late rounds of the draft addressed that. Alonte Taylor should be a good gunner and I'll bet that we'll see a lot of Smoke on Special Teams this season.
Can’t help but wonder if that most return number given up is offset a bit how far Giliken boots his friggin kicks !?

Rell&Gold 05-02-2022 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951206)
Day three.
When you engage indirectly replying to the "cloud" that's what happens. I'm the only that voiced a difference opinion regarding the draft in this space. I mentioned the trading away ALL our 3rd AND 4th round picks. Someway somehow you flipped that to a Landon Young being the reason people are tied to DAY3 picks so let me correct you. ROUND 3 AND ROUND 4

AsylumGuido 05-02-2022 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951299)
When you engage indirectly replying to the "cloud" that's what happens. I'm the only that voiced a difference opinion regarding the draft in this space. I mentioned the trading away ALL our 3rd AND 4th round picks. Someway somehow you flipped that to a Landon Young being the reason people are tied to DAY3 picks so let me correct you. ROUND 3 AND ROUND 4
You do what you need to do to make sure you get the player that you want. They didn't trade those picks away for laughs and grins. It appears they had Olave at the top of their board those picks were what was required to make the move.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 09:18 AM
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K Major 05-05-2022 10:06 AM
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In a peculiar kinda way, I feel like the Saints got 3 1st rounders in this draft.

Olave, Penning & Payton Turner. How many games did he play in 2021? Like 3? Essentially a unknown.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 951596)
In a peculiar kinda way, I feel like the Saints got 3 1st rounders in this draft.

Olave, Penning & Payton Turner. How many games did he play in 2021? Like 3? Essentially a unknown.
He played in five, but only one of those after week five and only had 15 snaps on defense in that one. Never really had time to get his feet under him.

rezburna 05-05-2022 10:40 AM
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In the games where Payton Turner actually hit the field he flashed some potential. My philosophy, if my team is already talented I'm trading the picks for players that I want or I'm trading up to grab a player I desire. We don't have a lot of holes on this team. I don't take any issue with the Saints going up to grab Olave. There aren't many issues with this team. Interior offensive line maybe? But nobody can have a perfect team. I say go and get what you want and make sure you turn it into a ring.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951603)
In the games where Payton Turner actually hit the field he flashed some potential. My philosophy, if my team is already talented I'm trading the picks for players that I want or I'm trading up to grab a player I desire. We don't have a lot of holes on this team. I don't take any issue with the Saints going up to grab Olave. There aren't many issues with this team. Interior offensive line maybe? But nobody can have a perfect team. I say go and get what you want and make sure you turn it into a ring.
I wish their was a "love" choice instead of just a "like". I couldn't agree more, Rez. As it is we are going to have good quality players not make the final cuts.

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951603)
In the games where Payton Turner actually hit the field he flashed some potential. My philosophy, if my team is already talented I'm trading the picks for players that I want or I'm trading up to grab a player I desire. We don't have a lot of holes on this team. I don't take any issue with the Saints going up to grab Olave. There aren't many issues with this team. Interior offensive line maybe? But nobody can have a perfect team. I say go and get what you want and make sure you turn it into a ring.
This makes sense rez, and obviously some teams feel this way. It works out sometimes. Sometimes it doesn’t. Wouldn’t you agree that this is one way to approach it but that other teams see it and have seen it differently with success?

K Major 05-05-2022 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951603)
In the games where Payton Turner actually hit the field he flashed some potential. My philosophy, if my team is already talented I'm trading the picks for players that I want or I'm trading up to grab a player I desire. We don't have a lot of holes on this team. I don't take any issue with the Saints going up to grab Olave. There aren't many issues with this team. Interior offensive line maybe? But nobody can have a perfect team. I say go and get what you want and make sure you turn it into a ring.
Me either.

if Dennis Allen sits on his hands, Olave was gonna be selected by the Lions.

Mr.Riaton 05-05-2022 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951603)
In the games where Payton Turner actually hit the field he flashed some potential. My philosophy, if my team is already talented I'm trading the picks for players that I want or I'm trading up to grab a player I desire. We don't have a lot of holes on this team. I don't take any issue with the Saints going up to grab Olave. There aren't many issues with this team. Interior offensive line maybe? But nobody can have a perfect team. I say go and get what you want and make sure you turn it into a ring.
Totally agree with this. Gotta be aggressive in FA and draft when in win now mode. Can worry about stockpiling picks when in rebuild mode.

Mr.Riaton 05-05-2022 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951610)
This makes sense rez, and obviously some teams feel this way. It works out sometimes. Sometimes it doesn’t. Wouldn’t you agree that this is one way to approach it but that other teams see it and have seen it differently with success?
I think that there are definitely other ways to achieve a championship, but being aggressive when in win mode is the best way.
I think by not being as aggressive under Payton might have gotten us success to a degree, it made it much harder to get over the playoff hump and to the SB. But on the flip side we really never had to go through rebuild mode under Payton either, so there’s that

K Major 05-05-2022 04:21 PM
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I'd actually like to have Sony Michel signed with NO as well.

Smart RB, appears to be a good "fit", has played on 2 winning (Pats, Rams) organizations, & only 27 with hardware.

rezburna 05-05-2022 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951610)
This makes sense rez, and obviously some teams feel this way. It works out sometimes. Sometimes it doesn’t. Wouldn’t you agree that this is one way to approach it but that other teams see it and have seen it differently with success?
I definitely don’t think there’s a one size fits all model. I think for an organization like ours we have to try and remain in constant contention because of the stigma of our history and with New Orleans not being a big market free agent destination. The moment we fall off for too long they’ll start saying I told you so and claiming we were only ever successful because of Brees and Payton when actually the late 80’s, early 90’s Saints were really good and we beat the Greatest Show on Turf for our first playoff win with Brooks and Haslett. We’re always going to have to be aggressive. We can’t afford to sit back. Even I’m contemplating every day on if I want to keep raising my kids here. Number three is on the way next month by the way.

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951634)
I definitely don’t think there’s a one size fits all model. I think for an organization like ours we have to try and remain in constant contention because of the stigma of our history and with New Orleans not being a big market free agent destination. The moment we fall off for too long they’ll start saying I told you so and claiming we were only ever successful because of Brees and Payton when actually the late 80’s, early 90’s Saints were really good and we beat the Greatest Show on Turf for our first playoff win with Brooks and Haslett. We’re always going to have to be aggressive. We can’t afford to sit back. Even I’m contemplating every day on if I want to keep raising my kids here. Number three is on the way next month by the way.
Congrats!

jeanpierre 05-09-2022 09:35 PM
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