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Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:41 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Treylon Burks and combination if ANY 3RD round WR would hp this team WAAAAAY more

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 02:41 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951096)
Trading up to grab Olave cost us on the back end Chris HAS to be 1a 1b WR with all if what we gave up. Saints were to cut up on the speed Bo Melton Tyquan alot spedd demons in the draft Could have drafted Treylon at 16 and one of those other guys in third with our 2nd 3rd that we traded away for Chris
Have you considered they didn't want any of those players you mentioned? Just because you, or some so-called draft expert, like a player doesn't mean the team has any desire, at all for any number of reasons, to draft that player.

Just saying.

neugey 04-30-2022 02:41 PM
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Olave, by the Saints brass and mostly by consensus, has the highest floor of the top WR's in the draft. Clearly we put a premium on getting the surest thing we could at WR. So in a way we did draft based on need with the move up for Olave - which you can't blame the Saints for, based on the historically low production we had at that position in 2021.

Boston Saint 04-30-2022 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951095)
Jameson is the better Prospect
Maybe so, but that’s not the point. Neither he or Olave would have been available at 16. That’s why both Det and we moved up. Otherwise at 16 we are drafting a WR with a perceived much lower ceiling.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951100)
Have you considered they didn't want any of those players you mentioned? Just because you, or some so-called draft expert, like a player doesn't mean the team has any desire, at all for any number of reasons, to draft that player.

Just saying.
That's all you are doing is "JUST SAYING" and I'm responding to you speaking on behalf of the organization. You said the reasons I replied if your trading away picks for what they got IMO that wasn't a win now move have you considered your words right

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951102)
Maybe so, but that’s not the point. Neither he or Olave would have been available at 16. That’s why both Det and we moved up. Otherwise at 16 we are drafting a WR with a perceived much lower ceiling.
Who cares Olave doesn't equal SB. ANY of those WRs taken in the first would have just fine.

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951094)
Sorry but I don’t see it that way. Detroit moved up to get Alabama’s guy right after us. If we wanted Olave (or another top rated WR) then we had to move up. Otherwise we take the same tackle at 16 rather than 19. Just my take of course.
That was the expected scenario; then, as DA stated "nothing surprises me in the NFL draft"; WRs started moving earlier than expected...

S Kyle Hamilton fell out the Top 10, and Ravens were rumored to take Penning that early - hooray for our team...

Malik Willis was a supposed Top 12 pick; SEA surprised and focused on that terrible offensive line with Cross, safe, but smart move...

So Saints made the jump on their top rated WR with pretty good trade value per the Rich Hill trade chart - modern day version of Jimmy Johnson innovation...

Then, Jordan Davis jumped into the Top 15 despite some teams having reservations about his discipline...

Chargers getting Justin Herbert, already a Top 5 QB, some protection at G to protect their greatest asset...

And Penning conveniently fell to us at 19; and we got one big, nasty bully; and as I said in previous post (trade chart), we got our two guys, just not as we expected...

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:50 PM
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If the Saints are in win NOW mode as most of you claim justifying the picks with that notion then these 2 picks should be plug n play impact players day 1 and if they aren't we could have went a different route and grabbed other needs or at least better players for those needs

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:52 PM
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The acquisition of players able to help us wiN"IMMEDIATELY" did not have to come with us giving up 2 middle round picks for it agree or disagree I stand on it.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 02:52 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951104)
Who cares Olave doesn't equal SB. ANY of those WRs taken in the first would have just fine.
Fine for who? Perhaps for you, but apparently not for them. They put far more hours into this process than any of us. I trust they have a better idea of what is best for them than any of us.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:52 PM
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Drafted two ST players after day one but the Saints thinking about winning now.....LMAO

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 02:54 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951109)
Drafted two ST players after day one but the Saints thinking about winning now.....LMAO
You can't win NOW without special teams, Rell. Don't forget we moved on from several special teamers this off-season.

Boston Saint 04-30-2022 02:54 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951104)
Who cares Olave doesn't equal SB. ANY of those WRs taken in the first would have just fine.
We will see. Obviously the Saints didn’t see it that way. I’m not a big fan of the way they have historically traded up. I am on record saying the Davenport pick was a mistake (pick not the player). However, in this case, after an early run of Defensive players drafted, the picks were all OTs or WRs. I’m guessing the team had high grades on 2 or 3 of each. Once those started to dwindle they secured what they wanted. I hope it works out. Don’t you?

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951110)
You can't win NOW without special teams, Rell. Don't forget we moved on from several special teamers this off-season.
You're absolutely right that doesn't mean draft a 4th round project in the second......oh wait they had to do that because they were so in Love with Olave. Drafting Olave isn't my issue what we loss to get him is

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951111)
We will see. Obviously the Saints didn’t see it that way. I’m not a big fan of the way they have historically traded up. I am on record saying the Davenport pick was a mistake (pick not the player). However, in this case, after an early run of Defensive players drafted, the picks were all OTs or WRs. I’m guessing the team had high grades on 2 or 3 of each. Once those started to dwindle they secured what they wanted. I hope it works out. Don’t you?
Do I hope the Saints giving up the 3rd n 4thrnd picks missing out some sleeper prospects and potential impact players doesn't bite them in the ass YES I DO. Do I think Chris will be a good player? YES I DO.? Do I think Chr8s Olave was worth what we loss in relation to what we needed ? No I DONT.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 03:06 PM
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Was Jeff Ireland involved as much I'm curious to know.

Boston Saint 04-30-2022 03:06 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951113)
Do I hope the Saints giving up the 3rd n 4thrnd picks missing out some sleeper prospects and potential impact players doesn't bite them in the ass YES I DO. Do I think Chris will be a good player? YES I DO.? Do I think Chr8s Olave was worth what we loss in relation to what we needed ? No I DONT.
Fair enough, but you are covering all your bases there. I’m saying if Olave succeeds with the Saints then the extra picks were worth it. You are saying if he succeeds then any other WR would succeed and it’s not worth it.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 03:17 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951112)
You're absolutely right that doesn't mean draft a 4th round project in the second......oh wait they had to do that because they were so in Love with Olave. Drafting Olave isn't my issue what we loss to get him is
If they had Olave as their #1 choice at WR then I have zero issue at their doing whatever it takes to get him.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 03:23 PM
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AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 03:24 PM
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Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951116)
If they had Olave as their #1 choice at WR then I have zero issue at their doing whatever it takes to get him.
That's fine WITH YOU Guido I'm not that's okay. I know this much Brian Robinson and Nakobe Dean and Brian Robinson were picked with our 3rd picks Percy Butler Dane Belton could have been our 4th round picks. Filled special team needs and Dt with everything else. Your opinion is yours. I'm not a "YES" man so that "if they felt he their #1 wr then I'm with it" mentality isn't going to fly here.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 03:37 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951116)
If they had Olave as their #1 choice at WR then I have zero issue at their doing whatever it takes to get him.
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951115)
Fair enough, but you are covering all your bases there. I’m saying if Olave succeeds with the Saints then the extra picks were worth it. You are saying if he succeeds then any other WR would succeed and it’s not worth it.
I'm saying if he doesn't turn out to have a Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase impact it wasn't and trading up for him is telling me that's how the Saints felt

neugey 04-30-2022 03:38 PM
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We just drafted a Falcons player!!!

:bananajoy:

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 03:39 PM
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Just keep that Marcus Davenport energy if expectations aren't met

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 03:47 PM
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Jarvis and Tyrann must be signing after the draft

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 03:47 PM
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But what about RB?

Boston Saint 04-30-2022 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951124)
But what about RB?
Melvin Gordon and/or Phillip Lindsey.

Scratch Gordon.

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 03:54 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951104)
Who cares Olave doesn't equal SB. ANY of those WRs taken in the first would have just fine.
Rell, Brother, may I humbly suggest some of the better scouting drafting services I've listed at the bottom (general list, Olave page(s))...

There is a consensus that he was the best route runner in the draft; and on local television when DA gave nightly rap-ups on the days draft, DA said the same...

Absolutely hate giving up picks to move up, but DA's sights were on Olave and that was just gonna happen...

I did show on a previous post how using the more contemporary trade chart that both teams got good value...

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1018...tml#post951051

Personally, I'd rather have nabbed an elite CB after Penning, even a QB (Corral and Pickett were my favs) or we could have gotten an elite DL...

And I'd taken R2 to take Alec Pierce, and drafted one, even two more complementary WRs to spread the field...

But Michael Thomas and Chris Olave are already one of the elite WR duos in the league now....

https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/c...ave/qaG1ZdTDRw

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/partic.../all-colleges/

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/chris-...9-01a521202e2f

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2...rankings-more/

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/c...g-report-2022/

https://walterfootball.com/draft2008P.php#2022positions


Don't subscribed to ESPN, so I haven't listed what Kiper and Co have to say...

neugey 04-30-2022 03:59 PM
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Why do the NFC West teams have 9,574 compensatory picks toward the end of the draft?

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 04:07 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951123)
Jarvis and Tyrann must be signing after the draft
Not sure we can afford both with extensions hopefully coming for Davenport and Gardner...

With Olave selection, smart money is gonna be on Tyrann Mathieu signing; Nick Underhill who gets thrown little nuggest posted earlier this morning about it...

Honey Badger would really energize the fan base, the corporate Superdome crowd, and the secondary to compensate for some the range lost with Marcus Williams...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951120)
I'm saying if he doesn't turn out to have a Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase impact it wasn't and trading up for him is telling me that's how the Saints felt
Rell, it's more about how WRz Chris Olave complements WRx Michael Thomas...

For me, when I updated the Roster Outlook Depth Chart with Olave and Penning that it really hit me how good that first round was for us...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 04:23 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951109)
Drafted two ST players after day one but the Saints thinking about winning now.....LMAO
Yeah, the picks after a great first round were very underwhelming...

Loomis and Co. has done this before where the actually hit it early, took their eye off the ball with the exception of 2017, where Ireland took point for the draft...

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 04:24 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951119)
That's fine WITH YOU Guido I'm not that's okay. I know this much Brian Robinson and Nakobe Dean and Brian Robinson were picked with our 3rd picks Percy Butler Dane Belton could have been our 4th round picks. Filled special team needs and Dt with everything else. Your opinion is yours. I'm not a "YES" man so that "if they felt he their #1 wr then I'm with it" mentality isn't going to fly here.
If trusting people that have far, far more information at their access and do the job professionally more than any of us makes me a "YES" man, then, by all means, YES, I am a "YES" man. It doesn't matter the field or venue, I will ALWAYS place my trust in the the decisions of those that actually do the job over those that don't.

To me it means nothing what others took with the picks we trade, nor who could have been taken by us with those picks. All that matters to me is that we got who our very own professionals wanted.

:D

But I respect that you look at things your way. Good for you! :cool:

K Major 04-30-2022 04:35 PM
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Whoa, what I miss here !? …

Some aren’t happy with the Saints selections ? I’m shocked 😳 “sarcasm off” ..

How does that old Buddy Ryan quote go? “If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them." 😂😂

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 951127)
Why do the NFC West teams have 9,574 compensatory picks toward the end of the draft?
The Ravens, far and away, have been the masters of acquiring compensatory picks...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 04:41 PM
Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951113)
Do I hope the Saints giving up the 3rd n 4thrnd picks missing out some sleeper prospects and potential impact players doesn't bite them in the ass YES I DO. Do I think Chris will be a good player? YES I DO.? Do I think Chr8s Olave was worth what we loss in relation to what we needed ? No I DONT.
Hey the fourth round has been especially good to us for nearly twenty years...

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 05:14 PM
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Most opinions were doubting MT would even be the same player even screaming for multiple WRs some said 2 in the first some of you said you'll never forgive for being injured regardless of how he performs some of you said trade MT etc.....alot opinions on this WR corp was ugrade upgrade upgrade very strong opinions on the WR Corp now with draft of Chris olave ALONE at WR this satisfactory? What is the take on the WR cor now ? Alot of opinions felt we needed at Least 2 WRs out of this draft is that tone still present

jtsaints 04-30-2022 05:23 PM
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Some of u guys are the same that *****ed about adebo and look at him now. Give our scouts credit and give the guy a chance

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 05:26 PM
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Are those opinions now convinced the Saints will get the MT of old? Is Marquez Callaway now seen as a capable WR ? Im asking Hopefully the indirect sarcasm is greater than the direct ignorance I get it. Opinions have been yearning a top WR for some seasons now almost like a goldigger looking/wanting/hoping for a rich husband. Opinions prayers were answered 🙏. Opinions no longer have to cry and complain at night about their worse nightmare.....Not having a top10 WR. Myself on the other hand ✋️ don't agree with the picks given up to manifest that dream. Trading up for Olave put the Saint as far as value out of the rest of the draft if anyone feels different your entitled to that.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 05:27 PM
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I wish I could have done that drafton pff and see the grade they would get


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