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neugey 04-30-2022 08:29 AM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
TE Kolar from Iowa State would be a steal. Might need to move up to get him. I don't want to give up on Trautman yet and I realize this creates a logjam at TE position with Taysom part of the arsenal, but still.

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 08:36 AM

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Based on the Rich Hill trade chart, with the Saints remaining picks 161 and 194, packaged, the Saints could move up to the last pick of Round 4, first pick of Round 5...

With regards to the Olave trade, Redskins sent the 11th pick (357.62) for the Saints trade package of the 16th, 98th, and 120th (305.41 + 37.68 + 23.1 = 366.19)...

So that's gives the Saints a differential of 8.57 - that's an impressive value swap...

Nitpicking some, but it'd been nice if Loomis could've got the Redskins to send back their pick at 189 (4.97), to gain some juice; but, hey, they're under the clock...

And, as D.A. stated, Olave was their highest rated WR, most complete prospect, and he's probably right, and we got the two players we most needed in this draft...

Mock Drafts got it right for the Saints Olave and Penning, it was just how we got there was the twist...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 10:03 AM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 951042)
Struggling to understand that last pick. They are already saying they see him as a CB first. Surely bigger needs than a 4th choice CB.

Foundation to every modern defense - Corner Backs and Defensive Ends - and CBs do get injured...

Have no problem taking a CB, maybe RAS was too heavily weighted vs film, maybe the inside the locker rooms connect between Saints and Tennessee, the player has limited experience...

Bears snatched FS Jaquan Brisker right before at 48 (Honey Badger?); also felt there were better CBs, with better film, which I give the most weight...

Some players valued more, bigger impact on roster - TE Trey McBride, LB Troy Anderson, WR Alec Pierce, LB Chad Muma, CB Jalyn Armour-Davis, FS Kerby Joseph...

But as Chris and Smash suggested, Saints like that empiracal data, in this case, RAS score, and they give it great weight in their selections...

papz 04-30-2022 10:35 AM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Hoping for a mean interior lineman and linebacker today.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 10:58 AM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 951042)
Struggling to understand that last pick. They are already saying they see him as a CB first. Surely bigger needs than a 4th choice CB.

That's assuming "need" was the motivation for the pick. They obviously had this guy targeted and didn't want to take the chance of losing him. Having a top 30 CB RAS over the last 35 years means there is something special there.

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 11:07 AM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
#IMHO, Pool of players that make great fits to Saints:

LB JoJo Domann (best coverage rating in draft)

WRs Kyle Phillips (and a very capable punt returner, only WR to ever truly smoke Derek Stingley on a play)

WRz Bo Melton (Tyreek Cheetah Hill speed, Raw)

RB Pierre Strong (very similar to another Pierre, only faster)

RB Ty Chandler (Home Run Speed, Transferred to UNC, great production)

DT Matthew Butler (Capable Pass Rusher, Amazing First Step)

NT John Ridgeway (Very raw, but has highest ceiling, Ryan Nielsen multiplier)

TE Charlie Kolar (Yes, he's got that high a ceiling)

TE Austin Allen (Late Round Gem, Impressive Size to Speed Athleticism)


iceshack149 04-30-2022 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951037)
I was wrong… Dennis Allen said he’ll play CB.

I suppose I should take DA at his word but I think the kid will see the field more as a Safety than a CB.

I just read (probably on this beloved site since you all are providing so much great information) that Taylor was a terrific gunner on Special Teams so we'lll likely get to see him play that role this season.

iceshack149 04-30-2022 11:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951023)
Okay, my apologies to the Black and Gold Krewe, I admit I didn't read through Chris's post in it's entirety, fully grasping the great info he spoils us with during Draft season...

Just pissed I lost WIFI tonight (Only have Streaming, No Cable Service), my favorite time of the NFL year, my favorite day; spiking 103°F fever all week isn't helping...

Again, I was wrong, and apologize to Chris and you guys for not reading Chris's post in it's entirety and giving an uninformed take...

Thanks, Smash - Love you, Brother...

Man JP, you're having a rough time. These past couple of years have been awful. I hope things turn around quickly for you, brother.

K Major 04-30-2022 12:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 951064)
Man JP, you're having a rough time. These past couple of years have been awful. I hope things turn around quickly for you, brother.

+1.

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 01:16 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
There goes Khalil Shakir to the Bills...

Man, Bills are gonna have a helluva CB tandem with Tre White and Kaiir Elam...

rezburna 04-30-2022 01:17 PM

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You can never have enough DB's these days.

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 01:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951068)
You can never have enough DB's these days.

Amen. Look today's NFL CB has to be super lean and be quicker, faster that the WR, who know's where he's going, but that DB has to mirror...

After NFL QB, NFL CB is the toughest position on the field...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 01:27 PM

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CB Tariq Woolen, UTSA, who visited the Saints, just got picked by SEA...

Seahawks are rebuilding their Legion of Boom with some impressive DB picks...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 01:32 PM

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Oh, man, anxiety definitely building as the Saints pick is just a few away...

Okay, we're next...

And now we're on the clock...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 01:46 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Appalachian State LB D'Marco Jackson?

Underwhelming selection, better options were on the board...

C'mon, DA, Tennessee DT Matthew Butler was the Volunteer you should have selected...

Even DT Matt Henningsen would have given you a versatile defensive linemen...

Per NFL.com | D'Marco Jackson Scouting Report

Draft Network | D'Marco Jackson


Boston Saint 04-30-2022 01:49 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951069)
Amen. Look today's NFL CB has to be super lean and be quicker, faster that the WR, who know's where he's going, but that DB has to mirror...

After NFL QB, NFL CB is the toughest position on the field...

Unless you were playing against last year’s Saints WRs.

ChrisXVI 04-30-2022 01:49 PM

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Depth/special teams. Pretty normal for a 5th round pick.

Crusader 04-30-2022 01:51 PM

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ChrisXVI 04-30-2022 01:54 PM

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Very explosive, undersized… He’ll be a backup weak side LB and a good special teams guy.

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 01:55 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951074)
Depth/special teams. Pretty normal for a 5th round pick.

Chris, there's still rotational guys like Butler who could provide juice at the 3-tech, get your special teams in Round 7/Rookie Free Agency...

If Kwon is re-signed, it'll be moot, but after a terrific Day 1, Saints have shat their hat Day 2, Day 3...

Like to know who beat the table for a LBer that likely won't have a veteran contract...

Some amazing talent is still there...

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 02:06 PM

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Man, we could've selected Kyle Phillips and had him in the slot this fall...

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 02:10 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
I have a sneaking suspicion that the team has a better idea than us what and who they feel is THEIR best option.

I'm seeing Deion Jones as a comp for D'Marco Jackson.

“Speed and grit. That’s what D’Marco Jackson brought to the football field for App State the last four years, and he’s won a hell of a lot of admirers because of it - myself included. Jackson might be a tad undersized for NFL tastes to play inside - but nobody has told him that, and i’m pretty sure ball carriers respect his physicality and aggression when he introduces himself at the point of contact. There is a little bit of a contradictory feel to Jackson’s eval, in that he has the speed to operate as a WILL linebacker (where his size is less of an issue), but his tackle range is much more suited on the interior where his presence is harder to avoid. Jackson comes with considerable special teams pedigree that will allow him to make an instant impact at the next level, whilst a coaching staff decides how he can contribute on defense.”

Simon Carroll
Head Of NFL Draft Content

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:16 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
C+ so far for Saints draft grade

ChrisXVI 04-30-2022 02:18 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951079)
Man, we could've selected Kyle Phillips and had him in the slot this fall...

Maybe we have no desire to have Kyle Phillips playing in the slot for us.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:20 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
We should not have gave up 3 picks to move up 5 spots to draft Olave that jump was unnecessary and too much. The second rbd pick from Ten I don't have clue what their intentions are the LB Appalachian st? We should have traded back with the 16th pick racked up on more picks to fill holes now no RB nO TE 1 WR No DT Saints failed this draft on paper I'm sorry

ChrisXVI 04-30-2022 02:21 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951077)
Chris, there's still rotational guys like Butler who could provide juice at the 3-tech, get your special teams in Round 7/Rookie Free Agency...

If Kwon is re-signed, it'll be moot, but after a terrific Day 1, Saints have shat their hat Day 2, Day 3...

Like to know who beat the table for a LBer that likely won't have a veteran contract...

Some amazing talent is still there...

Nobody else has drafted Matthew Butler either. He wouldn’t still be available if he was that guy.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:22 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951051)
https://blackandgold.com/u/5271-albu...icture1501.jpg

Based on the Rich Hill trade chart, with the Saints remaining picks 161 and 194, packaged, the Saints could move up to the last pick of Round 4, first pick of Round 5...

With regards to the Olave trade, Redskins sent the 11th pick (357.62) for the Saints trade package of the 16th, 98th, and 120th (305.41 + 37.68 + 23.1 = 366.19)...

So that's gives the Saints a differential of 8.57 - that's an impressive value swap...

Nitpicking some, but it'd been nice if Loomis could've got the Redskins to send back their pick at 189 (4.97), to gain some juice; but, hey, they're under the clock...

And, as D.A. stated, Olave was their highest rated WR, most complete prospect, and he's probably right, and we got the two players we most needed in this draft...

Mock Drafts got it right for the Saints Olave and Penning, it was just how we got there was the twist...

Garret is the better route runner Unless Chris wasn't running routes because his speed was enough cool but his route running needs ALOT of work

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 02:24 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951081)
C+ so far for Saints draft grade

Day 1 - A freaking Plus!


Days 2, 3? not so much...

ChrisXVI 04-30-2022 02:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951085)
Garret is the better route runner Unless Chris wasn't running routes because his speed was enough cool but his route running needs ALOT of work

That’s a horrendous take.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:24 PM

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Chris doesn't block he's actually pretty bad at it on tape. DA idk man definitely let some meat on the bone.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951087)
That’s a horrendous take.

Prove it or keep it moving

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:25 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
You making empty statements regarding my takes is no better add substance if you have a difference of opinion or is your take more emotional ?

ChrisXVI 04-30-2022 02:25 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951089)
Prove it or keep it moving

Chris Olave’s route running needs a lot of work. :rofl: :rofl:

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:26 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951091)
Chris Olave’s route running needs a lot of work. :rofl: :rofl:

I guess you think WRs running open mean they are good route runners ? Tell me goofy without telling me you goofy

jeanpierre 04-30-2022 02:27 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951084)
Nobody else has drafted Matthew Butler either. He wouldn’t still be available if he was that guy.

True, just reflecting on it; there's gotta be some red flags that are not in public purview; that's where we're at a disadvantage...

But film and athleticism suggests otherwise...

Boston Saint 04-30-2022 02:32 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951083)
We should not have gave up 3 picks to move up 5 spots to draft Olave that jump was unnecessary and too much. The second rbd pick from Ten I don't have clue what their intentions are the LB Appalachian st? We should have traded back with the 16th pick racked up on more picks to fill holes now no RB nO TE 1 WR No DT Saints failed this draft on paper I'm sorry

Sorry but I don’t see it that way. Detroit moved up to get Alabama’s guy right after us. If we wanted Olave (or another top rated WR) then we had to move up. Otherwise we take the same tackle at 16 rather than 19. Just my take of course.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951094)
Sorry but I don’t see it that way. Detroit moved up to get Alabama’s guy right after us. If we wanted Olave (or another top rated WR) then we had to move up. Otherwise we take the same tackle at 16 rather than 19. Just my take of course.

Jameson is the better Prospect

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:37 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Trading up to grab Olave cost us on the back end Chris HAS to be 1a 1b WR with all if what we gave up. Saints were to cut up on the speed Bo Melton Tyquan alot spedd demons in the draft Could have drafted Treylon at 16 and one of those other guys in third with our 2nd 3rd that we traded away for Chris

AsylumGuido 04-30-2022 02:37 PM

Re: 2022 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951095)
Jameson is the better Prospect

Maybe. Maybe not. We'll likely not know for some time as he may not even be able to play this season. We are wanting to win NOW, not nope a player can contribute the following season.

Rell&Gold 04-30-2022 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951097)
Maybe. Maybe not. We'll likely not know for some time as he may not even be able to play this season. We are wanting to win NOW, not nope a player can contribute the following season.

That's your opinion mines is that if you trade up that damn high and give up what you gave up you get the best guy Jameson Williams was the better guy pre injury he was THE #1 WR prospect. If winning nkw was the goal trading away draft picks for a first rd wr was too much


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