Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints

Rugby Saint II · 08-08-2022, 10:38 AM

I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol

Boston Saint · 08-08-2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol

It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up
in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back.

TheOak · 08-08-2022, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up
in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back.

After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise.

Boston Saint · 08-08-2022, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise.

Maybe not. Be he still had a high performing Brees/offense when those issues happened and he was still fairly young. I’m just saying it’s certainly possible that this tampering helped him decide to retire….even in a small amount. Why would there be a penalty for doing it if it weren’t possible?

AsylumGuido · 08-08-2022, 01:51 PM

Here's the official 21 page document on the anti-tampering policy of the league. It goes into great detail on what is and isn't tampering. It also references possible compensation to the offended club under specific circumstances under Section 7(e) ...

NFL ANTI-TAMPERING POLICY

Section 7(e)

Certification by Offended Club. The Commissioner may award compensation to the offended club if it certifies a complaint that initiates an investigation against the offending club. If the offended club declined or otherwise failed to certify such a complaint after the facts of the matter became known or reasonably should have become known to the offended club, the offended club may not receive any potential award of compensation.

If the offended club declined or otherwise failed to certify a complaint that initiates an investigation against the offending club, the offended club’s refusal or failure to certify such a complaint shall not preclude or limit in any way the Commissioner’s final and complete authority to impose discipline upon the offending club or any involved persons.

__________________________________________

What this is basically saying is that if the Saints, and/or the Patriots had introduced evidence of tampering involving their personnel they would have been eligible for some sort of compensation. If they didn't introduce the complaint they cannot receive any compensation.

stickman · 08-08-2022, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol

Agreed. I think the ironic (if that's the correct use of that term) thing about all this is that last season may have been one of his best jobs in terms of coaching.

Think about all the injuries and the fact that the WR group was already less than spectacular. Having that team in the playoff race right up until the end was incredible.

TheOak · 08-10-2022, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by stickman

Agreed. I think the ironic (if that's the correct use of that term) thing about all this is that last season may have been one of his best jobs in terms of coaching.

Think about all the injuries and the fact that the WR group was already less than spectacular. Having that team in the playoff race right up until the end was incredible.

This is bout personal drivers and those vary from person to person almost as widely as opinions and they also evolve as a person progresses through their career goals.

Sean always seemed more like a chess player to me, played more for the thrill of the chase than the victory. With Drew he had the one piece that left him comfortable enough to experiment everywhere else, without Drew he was back to player development and something tells me that's not what kept him interested. Sean's happy place is plotting and scheming and I suspect the 'right fit' for him is a place with all the pieces and the freedom to plot and scheme.

stickman · 08-10-2022, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

This is bout personal drivers and those vary from person to person almost as widely as opinions and they also evolve as a person progresses through their career goals.

Sean always seemed more like a chess player to me, played more for the thrill of the chase than the victory. With Drew he had the one piece that left him comfortable enough to experiment everywhere else, without Drew he was back to player development and something tells me that's not what kept him interested. Sean's happy place is plotting and scheming and I suspect the 'right fit' for him is a place with all the pieces and the freedom to plot and scheme.

Tough to argue with that. Does a place with the pieces in place sound more like Dallas or LA Chargers?

Rugby Saint II · 08-10-2022, 11:15 AM

But...but....don't forget that the Saints are also convicted of bad behavior.

TheOak · 08-12-2022, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by stickman

Tough to argue with that. Does a place with the pieces in place sound more like Dallas or LA Chargers?

Crap, I hit send on my reply but it isn't here. Sean Payton requires the one thing Jerry Jones will never give... autonomy. Dallas is out. Chargers would be the only option of the two.

The league must have a contract clause regarding communications that requires them to talk about Dallas every so many minutes which is why we get the annual Payton to Dallas hype BS. Yesterday on SiriusNFL the obligatory mention was "nothing is going on in Dallas".

This is off-season and 80% of the crap is just over hyped crap the remaining 20% is just over hyped and dramatized regular business.

Yesterday I heard "Tom Brady is missing 10 days of preseason but it was "pre-planned", well.. There is no such thing as "pre-planned", planned indicates premeditation and who in the f*** post-plans? lol.

08-08-2022, 10:38 AM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol jeanpierre and stickman like this.

08-08-2022, 11:54 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back. iceshack149, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.
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08-08-2022, 01:04 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back. After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-08-2022, 01:27 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by TheOak After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise. Maybe not. Be he still had a high performing Brees/offense when those issues happened and he was still fairly young. I’m just saying it’s certainly possible that this tampering helped him decide to retire….even in a small amount. Why would there be a penalty for doing it if it weren’t possible? Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-08-2022, 01:51 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Here's the official 21 page document on the anti-tampering policy of the league. It goes into great detail on what is and isn't tampering. It also references possible compensation to the offended club under specific circumstances under Section 7(e) ... NFL ANTI-TAMPERING POLICY Section 7(e) Certification by Offended Club. The Commissioner may award compensation to the offended club if it certifies a complaint that initiates an investigation against the offending club. If the offended club declined or otherwise failed to certify such a complaint after the facts of the matter became known or reasonably should have become known to the offended club, the offended club may not receive any potential award of compensation. If the offended club declined or otherwise failed to certify a complaint that initiates an investigation against the offending club, the offended club’s refusal or failure to certify such a complaint shall not preclude or limit in any way the Commissioner’s final and complete authority to impose discipline upon the offending club or any involved persons. __________________________________________ What this is basically saying is that if the Saints, and/or the Patriots had introduced evidence of tampering involving their personnel they would have been eligible for some sort of compensation. If they didn't introduce the complaint they cannot receive any compensation. Crusader and Rugby Saint II like this.
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08-08-2022, 01:40 PM	#6
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,804	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol Agreed. I think the ironic (if that's the correct use of that term) thing about all this is that last season may have been one of his best jobs in terms of coaching. Think about all the injuries and the fact that the WR group was already less than spectacular. Having that team in the playoff race right up until the end was incredible. Crusader, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

08-10-2022, 09:29 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by stickman Agreed. I think the ironic (if that's the correct use of that term) thing about all this is that last season may have been one of his best jobs in terms of coaching. Think about all the injuries and the fact that the WR group was already less than spectacular. Having that team in the playoff race right up until the end was incredible. This is bout personal drivers and those vary from person to person almost as widely as opinions and they also evolve as a person progresses through their career goals. Sean always seemed more like a chess player to me, played more for the thrill of the chase than the victory. With Drew he had the one piece that left him comfortable enough to experiment everywhere else, without Drew he was back to player development and something tells me that's not what kept him interested. Sean's happy place is plotting and scheming and I suspect the 'right fit' for him is a place with all the pieces and the freedom to plot and scheme. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-10-2022, 09:59 AM	#8
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,804	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by TheOak This is bout personal drivers and those vary from person to person almost as widely as opinions and they also evolve as a person progresses through their career goals. Sean always seemed more like a chess player to me, played more for the thrill of the chase than the victory. With Drew he had the one piece that left him comfortable enough to experiment everywhere else, without Drew he was back to player development and something tells me that's not what kept him interested. Sean's happy place is plotting and scheming and I suspect the 'right fit' for him is a place with all the pieces and the freedom to plot and scheme. Tough to argue with that. Does a place with the pieces in place sound more like Dallas or LA Chargers?

08-10-2022, 11:15 AM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints But...but....don't forget that the Saints are also convicted of bad behavior.

08-12-2022, 07:07 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by stickman Tough to argue with that. Does a place with the pieces in place sound more like Dallas or LA Chargers? Crap, I hit send on my reply but it isn't here. Sean Payton requires the one thing Jerry Jones will never give... autonomy. Dallas is out. Chargers would be the only option of the two. The league must have a contract clause regarding communications that requires them to talk about Dallas every so many minutes which is why we get the annual Payton to Dallas hype BS. Yesterday on SiriusNFL the obligatory mention was "nothing is going on in Dallas". This is off-season and 80% of the crap is just over hyped crap the remaining 20% is just over hyped and dramatized regular business. Yesterday I heard "Tom Brady is missing 10 days of preseason but it was "pre-planned", well.. There is no such thing as "pre-planned", planned indicates premeditation and who in the f*** post-plans? lol. iceshack149 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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