If we could just have our Starting core...

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2022, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I doubt the team will go far in the playoffs because the refs aren’t gonna quit screwing us. I know it sure as hell isn’t Loomis’s fault though.

You should see the Seahawks forum. They are going on and on about how the refs screwed them and how injuries and turnovers are killing them. LOL!

BakoSaint · 10-10-2022, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I doubt the team will go far in the playoffs because the refs aren’t gonna quit screwing us. I know it sure as hell isn’t Loomis’s fault though.

It’s both. Flawed roster and biased refs. When the refs are against you, you need to dominate to win. And in the playoffs, you better be good enough to dominate many lesser teams if you expect to beat the best. But our team this year plays close games at best because we have too many weaknesses, are too old, too injured, and lack depth, largely due to cap and draft problems brought about by Loomis. So we are bragging about the wins we eked out against mediocre teams, complaining about the others we might have eked out if we didnt have ref and injury problems we knew we would have, and missing the point that to go the distance we need to be a team capable of dominating and we clearly are not. Its time for a rebuild.

rezburna · 10-10-2022, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

How can Michael Thomas be such a Pu$$y?

This is where fans get out of hand. Guido is right. Injuries are injuries and they happen to everyone. If he could play I'm pretty sure he'd be playing. He played injured for Drew Brees and lost a significant portion of his career. I know many on this board don't like Michael Thomas because he dared to challenge Brees on a statement he made, but dude ain't a "*****". Let's be honest, who would stand in front of his face alone in a room and call him that?

K Major · 10-10-2022, 10:13 AM

Kinda off topic but didn't want to start a new thread but I see the Panthers have FIRED Matt Rhule.

He was terrible (11-27).

Turrible

BakoSaint · 10-10-2022, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Kinda off topic but didn't want to start a new thread but I see the Panthers have FIRED Matt Rhule.

He was terrible (11-27).

Turrible

Dennis Allen is 10-31 and lost to Matt Rhule this year.

BakoSaint · 10-10-2022, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

This is where fans get out of hand. Guido is right. Injuries are injuries and they happen to everyone. If he could play I'm pretty sure he'd be playing. He played injured for Drew Brees and lost a significant portion of his career. I know many on this board don't like Michael Thomas because he dared to challenge Brees on a statement he made, but dude ain't a "*****". Let's be honest, who would stand in front of his face alone in a room and call him that?

Maybe Michael Thomas is a humanitarian. Maybe he will spend the rest of his life building houses for people displaced by disasters. But maybe playing hurt or whatever didn't take one year off his career, maybe it took all the years remaining off his career.

He played hurt for Brees, but then he ghosted the team in the offseason and delayed surgery until the start of the year, then he had a setback, then he had a whole second offseason to recover, then he came to training came not yet recovered, then he got on the field and had more setbacks and missed most of camp, then he suited up for the opener, then he has had a series of injuries and setbacks since then. Sometimes the body breaks down before its expiration date. Sometimes a person loses the drive to give 100% after they already gave 200% and it wasn't enough and they got their money. Whatever it is, a reasonable person has to accept the considerable possibility that Michael Thomas is done for. That his future is playing golf with Terrelle Pryor, LeCharles Bentley, Jahvid Best, Andrew Luck, Dez Bryant, and company. He is young. This should be his prime. But some injuries don't go away. And if all the injuries did suddenly go away, you would still have the player who ghosted the head coach for an offseason fresh off a big contract, posted cryptic tweets, and got in fights with teammates. Younger players have been traded to the Eagles for a 5th over less.

Boston Saint · 10-10-2022, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It’s both. Flawed roster and biased refs. When the refs are against you, you need to dominate to win. And in the playoffs, you better be good enough to dominate many lesser teams if you expect to beat the best. But our team this year plays close games at best because we have too many weaknesses, are too old, too injured, and lack depth, largely due to cap and draft problems brought about by Loomis. So we are bragging about the wins we eked out against mediocre teams, complaining about the others we might have eked out if we didnt have ref and injury problems we knew we would have, and missing the point that to go the distance we need to be a team capable of dominating and we clearly are not. Its time for a rebuild.

Loomis has put a talented team on the field this year that, even with injuries and bad calls, is one game out of first in the division and has been in every game. If the team was losing by two scores every week it would be a different matter. But they are not. Allen held them together to rebound from 17 down against atlanta. There’s (so far) no quit in this team and I promise you no team seeing the Saints on their schedule is looking forward to the game. I can remember times when that sure as hell wasn’t the case. Maybe you can’t.

Things like Kamara’s fumbles and Hurst ripping a guys helmet off are not under Loomis’s control. Hell, those plays are outside of Allen’s control. There’s an old adage that says a team is not as good as they look when they’re winning and they aren’t as bad as they look when they’re losing. After a shortened preseason played mostly without Kamara, Winston, Thomas it’s no surprise the Offense is struggling. But there’s articles about how half the league is struggling over the first quarter of the season. You think Tampa is where they want to be needing the refs to save their butts from another loss?

I guess Loomis must have stolen your high school sweetie or something for your attitude towards him. I know I’m not gonna change your mind. It’s just…interesting to see you throw out so much negativity without any reserve. Especially after a W.

iceshack149 · 10-10-2022, 11:44 AM

Drunken threads are entertaining threads.

I'm just glad we beat the Seahawks. I had a bet with a Seahawks friend. The loser has to rock a lip curtain for a month. Had the Saints lost I would've had to go with the mutton chops. Since the lowly Seahawks lost, he's going to go with the "imperial" 'stache.

iceshack149 · 10-10-2022, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

This is where fans get out of hand. Guido is right. Injuries are injuries and they happen to everyone. If he could play I'm pretty sure he'd be playing. He played injured for Drew Brees and lost a significant portion of his career. I know many on this board don't like Michael Thomas because he dared to challenge Brees on a statement he made, but dude ain't a "*****". Let's be honest, who would stand in front of his face alone in a room and call him that?

Agreed. And I'm one that hated what he said about Brees.

Truth is, Thomas was breaking records before he got hurt. He comes across as a guy that would want to keep breaking records and cement his name as one of the best WR's that ever played in the NFL. Our bodies can only take so much wear and tear before we just can't go out and keep taking the punishment.

Boston Saint · 10-10-2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Agreed. And I'm one that hated what he said about Brees.

Truth is, Thomas was breaking records before he got hurt. He comes across as a guy that would want to keep breaking records and cement his name as one of the best WR's that ever played in the NFL. Our bodies can only take so much wear and tear before we just can't go out and keep taking the punishment.

I guess it comes down to what your definition of a pu$$y is… 🤔

10-10-2022, 08:21 AM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by Boston Saint I doubt the team will go far in the playoffs because the refs aren’t gonna quit screwing us. I know it sure as hell isn’t Loomis’s fault though. You should see the Seahawks forum. They are going on and on about how the refs screwed them and how injuries and turnovers are killing them. LOL!

10-10-2022, 09:51 AM	#12
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,091	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by Boston Saint I doubt the team will go far in the playoffs because the refs aren’t gonna quit screwing us. I know it sure as hell isn’t Loomis’s fault though. It’s both. Flawed roster and biased refs. When the refs are against you, you need to dominate to win. And in the playoffs, you better be good enough to dominate many lesser teams if you expect to beat the best. But our team this year plays close games at best because we have too many weaknesses, are too old, too injured, and lack depth, largely due to cap and draft problems brought about by Loomis. So we are bragging about the wins we eked out against mediocre teams, complaining about the others we might have eked out if we didnt have ref and injury problems we knew we would have, and missing the point that to go the distance we need to be a team capable of dominating and we clearly are not. Its time for a rebuild.
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10-10-2022, 10:04 AM	#13
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by 4everSaint How can Michael Thomas be such a Pu$$y? This is where fans get out of hand. Guido is right. Injuries are injuries and they happen to everyone. If he could play I'm pretty sure he'd be playing. He played injured for Drew Brees and lost a significant portion of his career. I know many on this board don't like Michael Thomas because he dared to challenge Brees on a statement he made, but dude ain't a "*****". Let's be honest, who would stand in front of his face alone in a room and call him that? iceshack149, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

10-10-2022, 10:13 AM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Kinda off topic but didn't want to start a new thread but I see the Panthers have FIRED Matt Rhule. He was terrible (11-27). Turrible Rell&Gold likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,091	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by K Major Kinda off topic but didn't want to start a new thread but I see the Panthers have FIRED Matt Rhule. He was terrible (11-27). Turrible Dennis Allen is 10-31 and lost to Matt Rhule this year. Rell&Gold and K Major like this.
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10-10-2022, 10:59 AM	#16
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,091	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by rezburna This is where fans get out of hand. Guido is right. Injuries are injuries and they happen to everyone. If he could play I'm pretty sure he'd be playing. He played injured for Drew Brees and lost a significant portion of his career. I know many on this board don't like Michael Thomas because he dared to challenge Brees on a statement he made, but dude ain't a "*****". Let's be honest, who would stand in front of his face alone in a room and call him that? Maybe Michael Thomas is a humanitarian. Maybe he will spend the rest of his life building houses for people displaced by disasters. But maybe playing hurt or whatever didn't take one year off his career, maybe it took all the years remaining off his career. He played hurt for Brees, but then he ghosted the team in the offseason and delayed surgery until the start of the year, then he had a setback, then he had a whole second offseason to recover, then he came to training came not yet recovered, then he got on the field and had more setbacks and missed most of camp, then he suited up for the opener, then he has had a series of injuries and setbacks since then. Sometimes the body breaks down before its expiration date. Sometimes a person loses the drive to give 100% after they already gave 200% and it wasn't enough and they got their money. Whatever it is, a reasonable person has to accept the considerable possibility that Michael Thomas is done for. That his future is playing golf with Terrelle Pryor, LeCharles Bentley, Jahvid Best, Andrew Luck, Dez Bryant, and company. He is young. This should be his prime. But some injuries don't go away. And if all the injuries did suddenly go away, you would still have the player who ghosted the head coach for an offseason fresh off a big contract, posted cryptic tweets, and got in fights with teammates. Younger players have been traded to the Eagles for a 5th over less.
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10-10-2022, 11:39 AM	#17
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by BakoSaint It’s both. Flawed roster and biased refs. When the refs are against you, you need to dominate to win. And in the playoffs, you better be good enough to dominate many lesser teams if you expect to beat the best. But our team this year plays close games at best because we have too many weaknesses, are too old, too injured, and lack depth, largely due to cap and draft problems brought about by Loomis. So we are bragging about the wins we eked out against mediocre teams, complaining about the others we might have eked out if we didnt have ref and injury problems we knew we would have, and missing the point that to go the distance we need to be a team capable of dominating and we clearly are not. Its time for a rebuild. Loomis has put a talented team on the field this year that, even with injuries and bad calls, is one game out of first in the division and has been in every game. If the team was losing by two scores every week it would be a different matter. But they are not. Allen held them together to rebound from 17 down against atlanta. There’s (so far) no quit in this team and I promise you no team seeing the Saints on their schedule is looking forward to the game. I can remember times when that sure as hell wasn’t the case. Maybe you can’t. Things like Kamara’s fumbles and Hurst ripping a guys helmet off are not under Loomis’s control. Hell, those plays are outside of Allen’s control. There’s an old adage that says a team is not as good as they look when they’re winning and they aren’t as bad as they look when they’re losing. After a shortened preseason played mostly without Kamara, Winston, Thomas it’s no surprise the Offense is struggling. But there’s articles about how half the league is struggling over the first quarter of the season. You think Tampa is where they want to be needing the refs to save their butts from another loss? I guess Loomis must have stolen your high school sweetie or something for your attitude towards him. I know I’m not gonna change your mind. It’s just…interesting to see you throw out so much negativity without any reserve. Especially after a W. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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10-10-2022, 11:51 AM	#19
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,238 Blog Entries: 1	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by rezburna This is where fans get out of hand. Guido is right. Injuries are injuries and they happen to everyone. If he could play I'm pretty sure he'd be playing. He played injured for Drew Brees and lost a significant portion of his career. I know many on this board don't like Michael Thomas because he dared to challenge Brees on a statement he made, but dude ain't a "*****". Let's be honest, who would stand in front of his face alone in a room and call him that? Agreed. And I'm one that hated what he said about Brees. Truth is, Thomas was breaking records before he got hurt. He comes across as a guy that would want to keep breaking records and cement his name as one of the best WR's that ever played in the NFL. Our bodies can only take so much wear and tear before we just can't go out and keep taking the punishment.

10-10-2022, 11:54 AM	#20
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by iceshack149 Agreed. And I'm one that hated what he said about Brees. Truth is, Thomas was breaking records before he got hurt. He comes across as a guy that would want to keep breaking records and cement his name as one of the best WR's that ever played in the NFL. Our bodies can only take so much wear and tear before we just can't go out and keep taking the punishment. I guess it comes down to what your definition of a pu$$y is… 🤔