Kinda off topic but didn't want to start a new thread but I see the Panthers have FIRED Matt Rhule.

He was terrible (11-27).

Turrible

Loomis has put a talented team on the field this year that, even with injuries and bad calls, is one game out of first in the division and has been in every game. If the team was losing by two scores every week it would be a different matter. But they are not. Allen held them together to rebound from 17 down against atlanta. There’s (so far) no quit in this team and I promise you no team seeing the Saints on their schedule is looking forward to the game. I can remember times when that sure as hell wasn’t the case. Maybe you can’t.

Things like Kamara’s fumbles and Hurst ripping a guys helmet off are not under Loomis’s control. Hell, those plays are outside of Allen’s control. There’s an old adage that says a team is not as good as they look when they’re winning and they aren’t as bad as they look when they’re losing. After a shortened preseason played mostly without Kamara, Winston, Thomas it’s no surprise the Offense is struggling. But there’s articles about how half the league is struggling over the first quarter of the season. You think Tampa is where they want to be needing the refs to save their butts from another loss?

I guess Loomis must have stolen your high school sweetie or something for your attitude towards him. I know I’m not gonna change your mind. It’s just…interesting to see you throw out so much negativity without any reserve. Especially after a W.

I agree with you that the players are out of Dennis Allen's control, which is the same thing as saying Dennis Allen has lost control of his players.

I get that we are not getting dominated but we are not dominating anyone either. A team that cannot dominate Atlanta, Carolina, Minnesota, or Seattle is not going to win a Super Bowl. So if we don't have what it takes to win it all, and we don't have the cap space or draft picks to get there next year, what we need to do is rebuild.

Loomis didn't steal my sweetie, he stole my Sundays, and is threatening to do so for the rest of the decade. We have journeyman QBs, one of the oldest rosters in the league, no first round pick to look forward to in April. Thats what that idiot stole. Terry Fontenot has made some bad moves in Atlanta like wasting the 4th overall pick on tight end, but at least he sees his team needs to rebuild and took the $ 40 million cap hit to clear dead space and make room for the future. Mickey Loomis is setting us up to get dominated by Atlanta for years because yeah we beat them by a hair now, but only after they kept their draft picks and cleared their dead cap that sets them up to beat us big in the future. When your rival is making hard choices and sacrificing the present to rebuild and your team is maxing out all cap space and draft assets to win now and damn the future and the two teams look to be on the same level, that is a bad sign for the future. I fear Fontenot may have been the only voice of reason in the room and ever since he left what good personnel moves have we made with the lunatics running the asylum? Trading our 1st? Max deal for Taysom Hill after concussion and foot injury so we can get the occasional highlight reel game against a gutter defense? Going into 2020 with no receivers? Trading CDG for nothing? Ignoring Marcus Mayes dual threat injury history and discipline issues?

I agree with you that the players are out of Dennis Allen's control, which is the same thing as saying Dennis Allen has lost control of his players.

I get that we are not getting dominated but we are not dominating anyone either. A team that cannot dominate Atlanta, Carolina, Minnesota, or Seattle is not going to win a Super Bowl. So if we don't have what it takes to win it all, and we don't have the cap space or draft picks to get there next year, what we need to do is rebuild.

Loomis didn't steal my sweetie, he stole my Sundays, and is threatening to do so for the rest of the decade. We have journeyman QBs, one of the oldest rosters in the league, no first round pick to look forward to in April. Thats what that idiot stole. Terry Fontenot has made some bad moves in Atlanta like wasting the 4th overall pick on tight end, but at least he sees his team needs to rebuild and took the $ 40 million cap hit to clear dead space and make room for the future. Mickey Loomis is setting us up to get dominated by Atlanta for years because yeah we beat them by a hair now, but only after they kept their draft picks and cleared their dead cap that sets them up to beat us big in the future. When your rival is making hard choices and sacrificing the present to rebuild and your team is maxing out all cap space and draft assets to win now and damn the future and the two teams look to be on the same level, that is a bad sign for the future. I fear Fontenot may have been the only voice of reason in the room and ever since he left what good personnel moves have we made with the lunatics running the asylum? Trading our 1st? Max deal for Taysom Hill after concussion and foot injury so we can get the occasional highlight reel game against a gutter defense? Going into 2020 with no receivers? Trading CDG for nothing? Ignoring Marcus Mayes dual threat injury history and discipline issues?

But Bako, hardly ANY team is dominating. Again, look at Tampa (preseason favorites) needing the refs to bail them out. Rams (last years Champs) looked ugly this weekend. Only teams with stable QBs like Bills and Chiefs are “dominating”. The game just doesn’t work that way. It’s a long season. Both of Giants SBs under Eli Manning were won as wildcard teams that struggled during regular season. I understand wanting to win but, outside of Billichik/Brady NO organization overcomes the bar you’ve set.

But Bako, hardly ANY team is dominating. Again, look at Tampa (preseason favorites) needing the refs to bail them out. Rams (last years Champs) looked ugly this weekend. Only teams with stable QBs like Bills and Chiefs are “dominating”. The game just doesn’t work that way. It’s a long season. Both of Giants SBs under Eli Manning were won as wildcard teams that struggled during regular season. I understand wanting to win but, outside of Billichik/Brady NO organization overcomes the bar you’ve set.

I did not complain we are not dominating, I complained we are not dominating anyone. The word anyone adds a lot of meaning. Our biggest win is 7 points over a bad team in a shootout after their punter inexplicably decided he could be Adrian Peterson and was wrong. I am not saying we need to be the Bills or Chiefs. I am saying that if every game is a battle and we play multiple bad teams and cant dominate any of them, we are probably not contender. The Bucs dominated the Cowboys 19-3 and played us even the first half then clearly dominated us in the second half. We are not on a different level than the Falcons and Panthers we are on the same level and that is not a playoff level. Are the refs partly to blame? Absolutely. But those refs are not taking the playoffs off, in fact they are just getting warmed up for the playoffs. We need to be able to dominate at least some teams to contend against playoff teams and playoff refs. We are not there. To get there I believe we need to accept rebuilding.

I did not complain we are not dominating, I complained we are not dominating anyone. The word anyone adds a lot of meaning. Our biggest win is 7 points over a bad team in a shootout after their punter inexplicably decided he could be Adrian Peterson and was wrong. I am not saying we need to be the Bills or Chiefs. I am saying that if every game is a battle and we play multiple bad teams and cant dominate any of them, we are probably not contender. The Bucs dominated the Cowboys 19-3 and played us even the first half then clearly dominated us in the second half. We are not on a different level than the Falcons and Panthers we are on the same level and that is not a playoff level. Are the refs partly to blame? Absolutely. But those refs are not taking the playoffs off, in fact they are just getting warmed up for the playoffs. We need to be able to dominate at least some teams to contend against playoff teams and playoff refs. We are not there. To get there I believe we need to accept rebuilding.