If we could just have our Starting core...

Rugby Saint II · 10-18-2022, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yup. Backups are backups for a reason. No coach can make them look like starters if they don't have that level of talent.

Fortunately we aren't alone in this situation. Most of the teams in the league are dealing with tons of injuries. That's a big reason why offense is down across the league.

The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.

AsylumGuido · 10-18-2022, 11:48 AM

Boston Saint · 10-18-2022, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.

+1. Hell, Trautman can’t even jog !

AsylumGuido · 10-18-2022, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.

I believe there has also been a shift in philosophy when it comes to injuries versus being hurt. I believe most teams, and especially the Saints, have become ultra conservative when it comes to the player's health. It seems that players are being made to sit out games where they would have just "played through the pain" in the past.

saintsfan1976 · 10-18-2022, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I believe there has also been a shift in philosophy when it comes to injuries versus being hurt. I believe most teams, and especially the Saints, have become ultra conservative when it comes to the player's health. It seems that players are being made to sit out games where they would have just "played through the pain" in the past.

This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.

Boston Saint · 10-18-2022, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.

Well, there’s the days of Ronnie Lott where he had a part of his finger cut off so he could get back in the game. Certainly those days are gone. But weather guys are not playing when they could….that’s a tough idea to believe when your team is under .500 and fighting to be relevant.

AsylumGuido · 10-18-2022, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.

I'd put all my money on the team. Or people like Dr. Matt Rhea who has been hired by the team to oversee the player's health. As rezburna pointed out recently these players want to play. Quite often to the detriment of their own well being as many admit.

Perhaps the ominous threat of lawsuits such as the concussion affair play into it, as well.

Rell&Gold · 10-18-2022, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.

Partially agree here. There have been less major injur9es during training camp. You want more contact more injuries? Or Less contact less injuries? If your team was severely impacted by performance due to not making 10 extra tackles during training camp it want meant to be

Boston Saint · 10-18-2022, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Partially agree here. There have been less major injur9es during training camp. You want more contact more injuries? Or Less contact less injuries? If your team was severely impacted by performance due to not making 10 extra tackles during training camp it want meant to be

Good points. Added to the “Less contact less injury” idea is “Less contact (fieldtime) less cohesiveness”. It’s not surprising Dalton can make throws to Callaway and Smith….They got more practice and playing time together than Thomas/Landry/Winston did.

Rell&Gold · 10-18-2022, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Good points. Added to the “Less contact less injury” idea is “Less contact (fieldtime) less cohesiveness”. It’s not surprising Dalton can make throws to Callaway and Smith….They got more practice and playing time together than Thomas/Landry/Winston did.

Giants are 5-1 with a hell of a defense. Steelers just beat the Bucs. Jets defense and special teams are playing fine. Saying all that to say. If you know your job your responsibilities in and out you have done your job add some execution in there of course. Tyrann missed tackles are not due to not enough contact. When there are guys with same training camp time making plays. Justin Simmons, Derwin James, marcus Williams etc.... know your job do your job. Can't so your job if you don't know it. Knowing half the battle now the other half is recognizing and applicating. I understand for rookies but for Veterans...naw I'm not giving them that. Sean left a void that DA isn't qualified to fill unfortunately the Saints are going to be impacted the most

10-18-2022, 11:36 AM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yup. Backups are backups for a reason. No coach can make them look like starters if they don't have that level of talent. Fortunately we aren't alone in this situation. Most of the teams in the league are dealing with tons of injuries. That's a big reason why offense is down across the league. The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field. Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard. Boston Saint likes this.
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10-18-2022, 11:48 AM	#2
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field. Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard. +1. Hell, Trautman can’t even jog !

10-18-2022, 11:58 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field. Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard. I believe there has also been a shift in philosophy when it comes to injuries versus being hurt. I believe most teams, and especially the Saints, have become ultra conservative when it comes to the player's health. It seems that players are being made to sit out games where they would have just "played through the pain" in the past. saintsfan1976 and Rell&Gold like this.

10-18-2022, 12:01 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I believe there has also been a shift in philosophy when it comes to injuries versus being hurt. I believe most teams, and especially the Saints, have become ultra conservative when it comes to the player's health. It seems that players are being made to sit out games where they would have just "played through the pain" in the past. This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.

10-18-2022, 12:05 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change. Well, there’s the days of Ronnie Lott where he had a part of his finger cut off so he could get back in the game. Certainly those days are gone. But weather guys are not playing when they could….that’s a tough idea to believe when your team is under .500 and fighting to be relevant.

10-18-2022, 12:12 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change. I'd put all my money on the team. Or people like Dr. Matt Rhea who has been hired by the team to oversee the player's health. As rezburna pointed out recently these players want to play. Quite often to the detriment of their own well being as many admit. Perhaps the ominous threat of lawsuits such as the concussion affair play into it, as well.

10-18-2022, 02:34 PM	#8
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field. Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard. Partially agree here. There have been less major injur9es during training camp. You want more contact more injuries? Or Less contact less injuries? If your team was severely impacted by performance due to not making 10 extra tackles during training camp it want meant to be Boston Saint likes this.

10-18-2022, 02:45 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Partially agree here. There have been less major injur9es during training camp. You want more contact more injuries? Or Less contact less injuries? If your team was severely impacted by performance due to not making 10 extra tackles during training camp it want meant to be Good points. Added to the “Less contact less injury” idea is “Less contact (fieldtime) less cohesiveness”. It’s not surprising Dalton can make throws to Callaway and Smith….They got more practice and playing time together than Thomas/Landry/Winston did.

10-18-2022, 02:56 PM	#10
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: If we could just have our Starting core... Originally Posted by Boston Saint Good points. Added to the “Less contact less injury” idea is “Less contact (fieldtime) less cohesiveness”. It’s not surprising Dalton can make throws to Callaway and Smith….They got more practice and playing time together than Thomas/Landry/Winston did. Giants are 5-1 with a hell of a defense. Steelers just beat the Bucs. Jets defense and special teams are playing fine. Saying all that to say. If you know your job your responsibilities in and out you have done your job add some execution in there of course. Tyrann missed tackles are not due to not enough contact. When there are guys with same training camp time making plays. Justin Simmons, Derwin James, marcus Williams etc.... know your job do your job. Can't so your job if you don't know it. Knowing half the battle now the other half is recognizing and applicating. I understand for rookies but for Veterans...naw I'm not giving them that. Sean left a void that DA isn't qualified to fill unfortunately the Saints are going to be impacted the most