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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Although, I disagree with the overall theme of this thread I do agree with what you said about Taysom being an absolute Beast! He was the correct call for the coaches to make this week and it's about time. We ...

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Old 10-10-2022, 05:08 PM   #1
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Although, I disagree with the overall theme of this thread I do agree with what you said about Taysom being an absolute Beast! He was the correct call for the coaches to make this week and it's about time. We needed some kind of a shake up on this offensive play calling. He was definitely the spark that we needed.
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Limited info and insight into real time drives certain individual to express their bias with reguard to personnel injuries, trades,draft and front office operations. We can all having differing opinions but there are those that bring every issue in large part down to front office having or keeping injury prone personnel.

We had an all star left take who never played a complete
season. We miss his play but made that decision based on dollars vs availability. We had a plan to replace him but that development was delayed by an injury, a foot injury.

Look around the league at the injuries that are affecting literally every team early in the season. Could this be to the lack of contact in the off-season and training camp mandated by the NFL? And some teams not playing any starters during preseason game not even a single series.

Reguardless of why or whose fault MT was away for the time he was away from the team, participated in no contact drills in the offseason and did not play in preseason was probably reasonable and nessesary cautious approach to bring him back into playing shape.

Now a foot injury, foot injury for MT, these and ankle injuries seem to be happening across the league.

The league while trying to control aggression surrounding the QB position and stricter enforcement of defense player calls and Head to Head contact. The rest of the game is faster with stronger athletes playing all out, the speed and strength of every position has increased especially on Special Teams.

If a player is injured calling him Pu$$ie because he’s not on the field is short sighted.
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Old 10-13-2022, 11:38 AM   #3
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I don't think that there are any bad teams out there. They field professional athletes who, individually, are attempting to either justify or improve their contract situation. There are coaches under the gun. Every team has an opportunity to lose or win, and my observation is that the healthier team usually wins. The Saints are not healthy. This is the third consecutive season where a significant number of playmakers are sidelined for extended periods. Unless there is an underlying pathology that links these injuries, it is neither managements nor the coaching staff's fault. No team is going to be successful with an inconsistent lineup, and that's proven to be the case year in and year out.

As for "rebuilding", injuries aside, what's to rebuild? The defensive scheme is sound(ish), the offense is roughly the same playbook for the last 12 years. Properly executed, the overall scheme is superior to almost every NFL team. Teams can't figure out what we will do on either side of the ball when our playmakers are healthy.

So, I'm imputing that "rebuilding" is a euphemism for giving up on some players.
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We would still be losers until we become more disciplined.
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We would still be losers until we become more disciplined.
How do you become disciplined? Repetition. They haven’t had that.
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Old 10-13-2022, 01:04 PM   #6
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I just did some looking up of preseason stats. I know the team had Winston and Thomas coming back from injuries. I also didn’t look at snap counts for O line (I think Penning played a lot). But here are some numbers from preseason action:

Winston 4 total passes.
Dalton 10 total Passes
Book 65

Ingram had 9 Rushes
Kamara had 2
Smith had 29 Rushes
Ozigbo, Jones Jr were in the teens.

Receptions..
Thomas 0
Landry 2

T Jones had 6
Merrit 6
Callaway 5
Smith 5
Olave 4

A brief look at tackles among the D shows a
similar pattern of backups or cut players dominating.

Now if you want to argue that they should have practiced together more in preseason then you run risks of getting hurt like Trevor did (still pissed at that injury caused by the WR). Not to mention Thomas and Winston couldn’t practice because of rehab.

Just some things to think about for those talking about how sloppy the team looks.

edit : If I got a stat or 2 wrong forgive me. The point is still there.

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If we could just have our starting core together then Dennis Allen might look like a real head coach.
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If we could just have our starting core together then Dennis Allen might look like a real head coach.
Yup. Backups are backups for a reason. No coach can make them look like starters if they don't have that level of talent.

Fortunately we aren't alone in this situation. Most of the teams in the league are dealing with tons of injuries. That's a big reason why offense is down across the league.
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Yup. Backups are backups for a reason. No coach can make them look like starters if they don't have that level of talent.

Fortunately we aren't alone in this situation. Most of the teams in the league are dealing with tons of injuries. That's a big reason why offense is down across the league.
The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.
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