Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals

Rugby Saint II · 10-17-2022, 10:51 AM

If this was Dallas or another big Market team Dennis Allen and Carmichael would be gone by now. I know that Loomis will not fire either one of them because this is a family-run business and we don't have that corporate mentality. However, it is time for a change in leadership and getting a fresh face in here would do wonders.

Boston Saint · 10-17-2022, 11:39 AM

In their first season as head coach of the team with the injuries they have had? I don’t think they’d be gone for any other franchise.

AsylumGuido · 10-17-2022, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

In their first season as head coach of the team with the injuries they have had? I don’t think they’d be gone for any other franchise.

Exactly what I was about to post, Boston. This isn't on Allen or Carmichael nor would any respectable franchise see it that way. Could there have been a bit more aggressive playcalling? Perhaps. But fielding a team littered with backups in place of key starters is not conducive to winning close games. Just as with Payton's great job last season facing much of the same, let's see what happens once we finally start getting some frontline players back. Every game has been close enough to have been a victory with a better bounce, or call, here or there.

Boston Saint · 10-17-2022, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If this was Dallas or another big Market team Dennis Allen and Carmichael would be gone by now. I know that Loomis will not fire either one of them because this is a family-run business and we don't have that corporate mentality. However, it is time for a change in leadership and getting a fresh face in here would do wonders.

Case in point Rugby…McCarthy was 2-7 going into the bye week is first Season in Dallas. He went on to a 6-10 record. This was after two losing seasons in GB. Dallas didn’t fire him quickly.

AsylumGuido · 10-17-2022, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Case in point Rugby…McCarthy was 2-7 going into the bye week is first Season in Dallas. He went on to a 6-10 record. This was after two losing seasons in GB. Dallas didn’t fire him quickly.

Yup. And where is McCarthy now? Sitting with one of the better records in the entire league.

K Major · 10-17-2022, 12:15 PM

Meanwhile what happened to this DEFENSE?! The tackling was atrocious. Didn't hear Tanoh, Davenport, or Cam's name called once. Why was Payton Turner a healthy scratch?

Giving up over 30+ points over the last two weeks ...

Redbirds, Raiders, Ravens & Steelers won't feel sorry for us.

Don't look now but the Panthers have traded Robby Anderson to the Cardinals & they also get Hopkins back (6 gm suspension) for our game on Thursday Night

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No Lattimore on Thursday ... and we saw what Chase did to Roby/Adebo.

AsylumGuido · 10-17-2022, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Meanwhile what happened to this DEFENSE?! The tackling was atrocious. Didn't hear Tanoh, Davenport, or Cam's name called once. Why was Payton Turner a healthy scratch?

Giving up over 30+ points over the last two weeks ...

Redbirds, Raiders, Ravens & Steelers won't feel sorry for us.

Don't look now but the Panthers have traded Robby Anderson to the Cardinals & they also get Hopkins back (6 gm suspension) for our game on Thursday Night .

No Lattimore on Thursday ... and we saw what Chase did to Roby/Adebo.

Cardinals offense was abysmal versus the Seahawks yesterday.

K Major · 10-17-2022, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Cardinals offense was abysmal versus the Seahawks yesterday.

So was the Saints defense.

Giving up more than 30+ points in 2 games. Currently ranked 28th in points allowed.

Don't you have lower level seats??

? This defense is underperforming big time.

AsylumGuido · 10-17-2022, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

So was the Saints defense.

Giving up more than 30+ points in 2 games. Currently ranked 28th in points allowed.

Don't you have lower level seats?? ? This defense is underperforming big time.

One can only hope they do better. I can say that missing Lattimore really hurt against Chase. He looked to be just outmuscling the defense.

AsylumGuido · 10-17-2022, 02:48 PM

CBSSports.com Week Six Grades

Saints

B

With several of their biggest receiving weapons out due to injury -- including Jarvis Landry , Chris Olave and Michael Thomas -- the Saints turned to their ground game and their rushing attack almost did enough to pull off the upset here. The Saints averaged an absurd 6.7 yards per carry in this game (34 carries for 228 yards) and a big part of that was because they had three different players who had at least one carry of 30 yards more. The problem for the Saints offense, though, is that it couldn't score in the red zone. On five trips inside of Cincinnati's 20-yard line, the Saints only came away with one TD. The other problem with the Saints is that their defense can't stop anyone. The unit was supposed to be a strength coming into the season, but it has now given up 28 or more points in three straight games.

10-17-2022, 10:51 AM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,151	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals If this was Dallas or another big Market team Dennis Allen and Carmichael would be gone by now. I know that Loomis will not fire either one of them because this is a family-run business and we don't have that corporate mentality. However, it is time for a change in leadership and getting a fresh face in here would do wonders.

10-17-2022, 11:39 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals In their first season as head coach of the team with the injuries they have had? I don’t think they’d be gone for any other franchise. leilung and AsylumGuido like this.

10-17-2022, 11:48 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals Originally Posted by Boston Saint In their first season as head coach of the team with the injuries they have had? I don’t think they’d be gone for any other franchise. Exactly what I was about to post, Boston. This isn't on Allen or Carmichael nor would any respectable franchise see it that way. Could there have been a bit more aggressive playcalling? Perhaps. But fielding a team littered with backups in place of key starters is not conducive to winning close games. Just as with Payton's great job last season facing much of the same, let's see what happens once we finally start getting some frontline players back. Every game has been close enough to have been a victory with a better bounce, or call, here or there.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

10-17-2022, 11:43 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II If this was Dallas or another big Market team Dennis Allen and Carmichael would be gone by now. I know that Loomis will not fire either one of them because this is a family-run business and we don't have that corporate mentality. However, it is time for a change in leadership and getting a fresh face in here would do wonders. Case in point Rugby…McCarthy was 2-7 going into the bye week is first Season in Dallas. He went on to a 6-10 record. This was after two losing seasons in GB. Dallas didn’t fire him quickly. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-17-2022, 11:51 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals Originally Posted by Boston Saint Case in point Rugby…McCarthy was 2-7 going into the bye week is first Season in Dallas. He went on to a 6-10 record. This was after two losing seasons in GB. Dallas didn’t fire him quickly. Yup. And where is McCarthy now? Sitting with one of the better records in the entire league.

10-17-2022, 12:15 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals Meanwhile what happened to this DEFENSE?! The tackling was atrocious. Didn't hear Tanoh, Davenport, or Cam's name called once. Why was Payton Turner a healthy scratch? Giving up over 30+ points over the last two weeks ... Redbirds, Raiders, Ravens & Steelers won't feel sorry for us. Don't look now but the Panthers have traded Robby Anderson to the Cardinals & they also get Hopkins back (6 gm suspension) for our game on Thursday Night . No Lattimore on Thursday ... and we saw what Chase did to Roby/Adebo. Boston Saint likes this.

10-17-2022, 12:24 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals Originally Posted by K Major Meanwhile what happened to this DEFENSE?! The tackling was atrocious. Didn't hear Tanoh, Davenport, or Cam's name called once. Why was Payton Turner a healthy scratch? Giving up over 30+ points over the last two weeks ... Redbirds, Raiders, Ravens & Steelers won't feel sorry for us. Don't look now but the Panthers have traded Robby Anderson to the Cardinals & they also get Hopkins back (6 gm suspension) for our game on Thursday Night . No Lattimore on Thursday ... and we saw what Chase did to Roby/Adebo. Cardinals offense was abysmal versus the Seahawks yesterday.

10-17-2022, 12:28 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Cardinals offense was abysmal versus the Seahawks yesterday. So was the Saints defense. Giving up more than 30+ points in 2 games. Currently ranked 28th in points allowed. Don't you have lower level seats?? ? This defense is underperforming big time.

10-17-2022, 12:58 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals Originally Posted by K Major So was the Saints defense. Giving up more than 30+ points in 2 games. Currently ranked 28th in points allowed. Don't you have lower level seats?? ? This defense is underperforming big time. One can only hope they do better. I can say that missing Lattimore really hurt against Chase. He looked to be just outmuscling the defense.

10-17-2022, 02:48 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals CBSSports.com Week Six Grades Saints B With several of their biggest receiving weapons out due to injury -- including Jarvis Landry , Chris Olave and Michael Thomas -- the Saints turned to their ground game and their rushing attack almost did enough to pull off the upset here. The Saints averaged an absurd 6.7 yards per carry in this game (34 carries for 228 yards) and a big part of that was because they had three different players who had at least one carry of 30 yards more. The problem for the Saints offense, though, is that it couldn't score in the red zone. On five trips inside of Cincinnati's 20-yard line, the Saints only came away with one TD. The other problem with the Saints is that their defense can't stop anyone. The unit was supposed to be a strength coming into the season, but it has now given up 28 or more points in three straight games.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill