Indeed. I made this point months ago. When some users were saying things like “I’d never send him to Dallas” or “I’d hold out for a ransom”. Saints only have his rights through 2024. A smart team will wait and give us nothing. Especially since the ball is in Sean’s court.

I disagree. NFL teams are worth $5 billion now. I am not an accountant but my rough understanding of net present value and cash flow is that if something is worth $5 billion, probably the next 7 or so years of it are at least half that value due to the time value of money, and the next 1 year is probably about 10%. So the privilege of owning and NFL team for the 2023 season is worth maybe $500 million based on what people are willing to pay to own one indefinitely. Just like you if you leased a new car you might pay 10% of its value to lease it for a year or something. So I disagree with the idea that an owner would wait a year to sign Sean Payton, if they really wanted him, to save a couple draft picks. If they have a coach they don't have faith in, throwing away another year with that coach is very costly in terms of the time value of money. Also they run many risks. The coach they lack faith in may have a lucky year that makes him hard to fire. There may be a scandal or controversy that makes him hard to fire. Sean may take a liking to broadcasting with an extra year. Another team may seize the moment and change Seans mind and make him an offer he can't refuse. Or they may have to fire the existing coach and then a new coach or new mid year interim coach catches fire and they can't let him go without his joining a lawsuit or something. Just like this year McCarthy may be doing too well to fire. We don't know what happens next year. Maybe Andy Reid retires and sure Sean Payton loved the situation in San Diego but suddenly he is offered Maholmes and sees that as more of a sure thing to cement his legacy as the first coach to win a ring with two teams. Maybe Hebert chokes in the playoffs or gets hurt. If a team wants Sean, there is much more value and certainty for them to get him now than to wait 2 years and get him in 2025 because thats a long long long time and that owner may die of a stroke or see Payton coaching the Patriots before its 2025. You don't become a billionaire so you can still patiently wait to pursue expensive hobbies when you are already in your 60's or whatever. Whatever picks they trade for Payton will be gone in 2025 anyway. Payton can say thats the only team he will play for and they can only offer chump change but if we threaten to make them wait 2 years any team will fold because waiting 2 years is untenable.

You missed the part about Sean Payton having the control. The situation would have to be ideal to pull him out of the money he is making sound studio work now. These owners aren’t concerned about the money for 1 year. Not only would an owner have to ask themselves if they want Payton minus key draft picks now or Payton with those draft picks in a year.

Likewise PAYTON has to decide if he wants to leave the low stress work he’s doing now to go to a team with diminished draft capital or wait a year then go with they have full draft capabilities.

Its 2 years not one year. If you are some 70 year old owner and the question is do you want a winning coach now or in 2 years, you probably want one now. If Payton prefers broadcasting that ball is 100% in his corner but if he wants to coach in 2023 or 2024 that ball is in our corner and a $5 billion owner is going to have to fork over the picks if they dont want to watch Nathaniel Hackett or Josh McDaniels or whoever coach for 2 more years, maybe the last 2 years they can still get it up with their trophy wife or whatevs.

Yes, I was the one that mentioned 2024 earlier in this thread. I’m aware when it is. My point was meaning waiting an extra year after the upcoming off season. Again, it’s not up to some arbitrary “70 year” old owner as much as it is to Sean Payton. Sean Payton could say it’s not worth going to a team that has limited itself via draft picks (like you always ***** about). Time will tell

My understanding is its not an extra year after the upcoming offseason they would have to wait, its an extra two years after the upcoming offseason. My understanding is we control Sean Payton through the 2024 season which actually ends in early 2025 so if teams bide their time and dont trade for him this 2022-2023 offseason they cant sign him free in the following 2023-2024 offseason because we still own his rights for the 2024 season so he only becomes a free agent in about March 2025 which is 2.5 years from now. Thats a long time to wait. If I am wrong let me know. I take ‘through the 2024 season’ to mean he becomes a free agent at the end of that season in March 2025, or at least whenever or 2024 season ends in early 2025.

Its 2 years not one year. If you are some 70 year old owner and the question is do you want a winning coach now or in 2 years, you probably want one now. If Payton prefers broadcasting that ball is 100% in his corner but if he wants to coach in 2023 or 2024 that ball is in our corner and a $5 billion owner is going to have to fork over the picks if they dont want to watch Nathaniel Hackett or Josh McDaniels or whoever coach for 2 more years, maybe the last 2 years they can still get it up with their trophy wife or whatevs.

This is a Kobayashi Maru.

Number of years is moot and you are still missing the problem in most scenarios. I’ll make it a simple question so you don’t have to suffer the mental gymnastics of accuracy or relevance.

Why does Sean Payton want to go to a team that just gave their picks to the Saints?

Your scenario was New Orleans getting 2 first round picks. You have lost your mind in these forums over Loomis giving up first round picks and you think Sean Payton is going to agree to go to a team that just gave two years worth of first rounders away.

You your self said we wouldn’t be able to attract talent because we traded away draft picks.


This is a Kobayashi Maru.

I disagree. NFL teams are worth $5 billion now. I am not an accountant but my rough understanding of net present value and cash flow is that if something is worth $5 billion, probably the next 7 or so years of it are at least half that value due to the time value of money, and the next 1 year is probably about 10%. So the privilege of owning and NFL team for the 2023 season is worth maybe $500 million based on what people are willing to pay to own one indefinitely. Just like you if you leased a new car you might pay 10% of its value to lease it for a year or something. So I disagree with the idea that an owner would wait a year to sign Sean Payton, if they really wanted him, to save a couple draft picks. If they have a coach they don't have faith in, throwing away another year with that coach is very costly in terms of the time value of money. Also they run many risks. The coach they lack faith in may have a lucky year that makes him hard to fire. There may be a scandal or controversy that makes him hard to fire. Sean may take a liking to broadcasting with an extra year. Another team may seize the moment and change Seans mind and make him an offer he can't refuse. Or they may have to fire the existing coach and then a new coach or new mid year interim coach catches fire and they can't let him go without his joining a lawsuit or something. Just like this year McCarthy may be doing too well to fire. We don't know what happens next year. Maybe Andy Reid retires and sure Sean Payton loved the situation in San Diego but suddenly he is offered Maholmes and sees that as more of a sure thing to cement his legacy as the first coach to win a ring with two teams. Maybe Hebert chokes in the playoffs or gets hurt. If a team wants Sean, there is much more value and certainty for them to get him now than to wait 2 years and get him in 2025 because thats a long long long time and that owner may die of a stroke or see Payton coaching the Patriots before its 2025. You don't become a billionaire so you can still patiently wait to pursue expensive hobbies when you are already in your 60's or whatever. Whatever picks they trade for Payton will be gone in 2025 anyway. Payton can say thats the only team he will play for and they can only offer chump change but if we threaten to make them wait 2 years any team will fold because waiting 2 years is untenable.