Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

This is why I believe Pete Carmichael is done after this season. His stale, predictable play calling has left a lot to be desired.

There is simply no creativity on offense.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Do anyone believe Lattimore or Jordan would be out due to injury if Payton was the HC? Not saying they are not injured, just Payton would had the team at a mentality to fight to be on the field. Payton didn’t care what place you were drafted, if you could contribute to make the team better you will get your share of snaps. I believe everyone on the team don’t have any faith in DA.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

I disagree. I don’t see quit in the team on the field. I honestly think Injuries/talent has been the biggest problem. But that’s just my opinion.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

I'm alright if Allen goes back to DC and Sean comes back.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

I would be too. Don’t think it would work though.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

It's time to stay out of that rear view mirror fam. The divorce is finalized with Payton in N.O & he left the team in a bad spot.

New coach & draft picks.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

It’s not a divorce until he coaches another team 😜

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

It's not a denial ... until it is?

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Maybe he’ll come back!

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Allen made the right call to sit Winston. Winston's whining is disgusting. Trade or cut him NOW. No need for a LR cancer.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Winston isn’t a cancer fam.

As for Allen, he doesn’t have a clue on how to LEAD men.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

But If he had no leadership skills major, I don’t think he would have been able to turn the defense into the powerhouse unit it was the last few years when healthy. Guys like Davis and Jordan wouldn’t have bought into his system if he didn’t have their respect as a leader. The response is going to be they respected Payton, but that didn’t work for Ryan as DC. Just my take.

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Dennis Allen didn’t really turn the defense into a powerhouse. The defense was stockpiled with talent at every level. He wasn’t creating crazy schemes and fooling anybody. We line up in man to man every game with a single high safety in Marcus Williams who had the range to cover the entire field. I saw nothing innovative or special from Allen on defense. I saw talent. Allen ain’t a leader and I’d gladly sign that petition. Dude is ass.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

When somebody plays a lot of man on Madden you know what I do? Bunch my receivers and run drags. What have teams done successfully on us for years? Drags.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

I like Allen. He was stuck without a qb and all but one WR hurt. Db underperformed all year. I’d say let him build his team and get rid of the mess SP left behind.

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Agreed! Remember when "Trusting In Spags" led to the worst defense in the league? That very same "Spags" went on to win a Super Bowl with KC.

The lack of defensive talent he had here was the reason for that dubious record. You can be a great coach but if you have 11 broom sticks to "coach up" you'll end up with a record setting "bad defense". Having talent makes the job much easier.

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Dennis Allen was able to put a good defense on the field when they drafted him a good defense. He gas done nothing special as a head coach and I want him gone. If he wants to stay on his defensive coordinator I'm okay with that. If not.. see you!

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

DA pretty much dismantled the defensive backfield in just a few months and it shows.

Maye is okay, but he's no Marcus Williams.
Roby is okay, but he's no CGJ
Mathieu, looks like he's checked out.

Vonn Bell, Marcus Williams and CGJ all have more ints individually than our entire unit have combined.

SP was 1 win away from the playoffs with way more injuries than this team sustained.

DA just isn't the answer.

The way he's broken the D, I'd even be hesitant to keep him on as D coordinator, which is a shame because we used to have a really good defense.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Amazing how people can defend a 4-7 record coach, but ready crucify a Super Bowl and franchise record winning coach (Sean Payton)

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It’s also amazing how people don’t take into account how injuries impact a team and their performance. Case in point the Super bowl champ Rams with the same coach are a mess with fewer wins than the Saints and a loss to them as well.

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Bell left under Payton, not Allen. CGJ and Williams were money decisions that were out of Allen’s control because the team couldn’t afford them.

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We had 4 qb changes, no wr experience, injuries up and down the offensive line yet we still were competitive and had better record than this yet you make excuses for DA who have a losing record going back to being HC of the raiders?


As for business decisions by Loomis. You pay a HUGE amount to get Maye. Pay mathieu more than you were considering paying CJG. CJG is still balling and have more interceptions than Maye and Mathieu combined. Business decision! You know if Payton was here that wouldn’t had fly. Payton is the reason Kamara is here, we found Diamonds like Pierre Thomas & Marquis Colston.

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So Payton having injuries last year invalidates the injuries the Saints have this year?

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

I don't think Im making my point clear. Im not comparing Sean Payton to Dennis Allen. Payton is a better coach. There are only 3-4 other coaches Id put even at his level. So comparing Allen to him is silly in my mind. Its like comparing other QBs to Brees.

I am saying that evaluating any coach's performance has to be based on many factors and the players he had to work with, including injuries, have to be considered among those factors. Case in point the defending champs are crappy this year. People excuse it by saying "they have their top WR and QB out with injuries". I believe the Saints have had their top WR and starting QBs injured this year. People were willing to cut Allen loose before the season was even halfway over because of Kamra/Ingram fumbles and bad officiating had them lose a couple games they shouldn't have. Maybe Allen isn't the guy...but saying he isn't before giving him a fair chance is wrong IMO.

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You make a very good point Boston. However, I don't think time is going to help him any. It's obvious he's not head coaching material. His records proves that. So does the lackadaisical nature of this team.

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:biggun:You make a very good point Boston. However, I don't think time is going to help him any. It's obvious he's not head coaching material. His records proves that. So does the lackadaisical nature of this team.

EDIT: Double posts deserve a thumbs down. My bad fellas.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

LOL. No thumbs down. Id by you a drink if I could.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Maybe so.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

For the record, my rant’s started after the Arizona’s game when he was asked after Dalton’s threw a red zone interception & two picks six before halftime, what did he say to Dalton; his response was keep doing what you’re doing. I would’ve preferred hearing take care of the football.

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The red flags for me is that on 2 separate occasions, players have had to stand up and motivate the team via meetings (Kamara and Cam), instead of Allen himself.

He seems out of his depth and willing to let the players take on his responsibility.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Respectfully Dizzle, you're making assumptions here.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Or maybe the players know it’s on them for playing like crap and not being responsible for their performance. Fumbles and missed tackles aren’t always on the coach.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Why? he has doesn't have a Quarterback, it's his first year as a head coach. give the a guy a chance. Were all spoiled, Thank Drew Brees and Sean Payton for that.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

I don't get wanting to fire him when we go 10-7 in the regular season and 4-0 in the playoffs.

Championship!!

:bng:

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Something to consider here, diz ... was it Sean Payton alone that motivated the players? I believe that Drew Brees and other players were tremendous motivating factors. I have no doubt that Allen, and the other coaches, are doing all they can as far as motivation goes, but losing a leader like Drew Brees leaves a huge vacuum. I believe it was a void that Payton himself couldn't fill last season.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Saints need some of that Boston Saint cooking ... :bng: :cheers:

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

How about we start a petition for the RBs to get their heads out of their a$$es!

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

Allen’s got 99 problems but that ain’t one. Those players are grown ass men and playing at a professional level, if they aren’t able to reach down and drag their own d1cks out of the dirt by now then maybe they shouldn’t be out there. They have ALL faced adversity before and should be seasoned enough to overcome that crap.

Your boss come in on Monday and give you a pep talk?

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

That should have been a field position play to tie the game with a FG.

Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

I was thinking same thing Oak. Of course, I thought a lot of Payton’s calls were suspect too.