Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964840)

He writes his own eulogy. All I have to do is copy and paste: “I have confidence in our offense and what we’re doing. We just have to be more consistent in what we’re doing.” - Dennis Allen after the loss against the Bucs.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964844)

This is his answer to reporters. Who knows what he is telling his team. Do you deny that had a ball or two been caught, or Ingram not blown his knee one yard short of a first down, or the refs called hold in the 4th quarter the outcome would be different?

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 964859)

Over the last month he's stated that his players and coaches must improve.

Aren't most of these guys the one's he's coached on defense, under Payton & most of the coaches have been here for years with a track record of success??

Enter Dennis Allen in 2022, and all of a sudden incompetence rules. Hmmm, wonder where the variable lies :smokin:?

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 964880)

Read this back to your self. You’re advocating that if only one of a couple things didn’t go wrong the outcome of a 16-17 game might have been different. You may not realize it but your expectations are so low for this team that you are arguing that one less failure might equate to success.

There was a time when we could discuss all the things done right that lead to success.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964885)

I read it again. No, it means I am aware the difference between a W and L is razor thin. When the refs work against you it’s even thinner.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 964888)

When the difference between a W and an L is razor thin it’s one of two reasons, either both teams played great or both teams played equally like sh1t. I’ve yet to see great football this season so that only leaves one option.

Rationalize as you need.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 964888)

When the difference between a W and an L is razor thin it’s one of two reasons, either both teams played great or both teams played equally like sh1t. I’ve yet to see great football this season so that only leaves one option.

Rationalize as you need.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964891)

When the score goes from 16-3 to 17-16 with 3 seconds left on the clock, it is clear that a poorly coached team handed the thin razor to Tom Brady. We have reason to grieve.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964892)

And if you don’t realize the refs allowed several holding calls go you don’t know jack sh*t about football.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964893)

Maybe we can get a Ref to retire and come be our Head Coach!

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964895)

Just watched the Ram’s RB fumble. Man Sean McVay is a crappy coach.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964896)

This isn't about Sean McVay. Check the Title of the Thread.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964895)

Just watched the Ram’s RB fumble. Man Sean McVay is a crappy coach.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964892)

And if you don’t realize the refs allowed several holding calls go you don’t know jack sh*t about football.

Originally Posted by papz (Post 963354)

I'm a really big fan of McDaniel's offense in Miami. We might not have the right players for it, but I like a quick, faster striking offense. Less thinking just doing.

We just need some new energy.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 963547)

It's time to stay out of that rear view mirror fam. The divorce is finalized with Payton in N.O & he left the team in a bad spot.

New coach & draft picks.

Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 963826)

We had 4 qb changes, no wr experience, injuries up and down the offensive line yet we still were competitive and had better record than this yet you make excuses for DA who have a losing record going back to being HC of the raiders?


As for business decisions by Loomis. You pay a HUGE amount to get Maye. Pay mathieu more than you were considering paying CJG. CJG is still balling and have more interceptions than Maye and Mathieu combined. Business decision! You know if Payton was here that wouldn’t had fly. Payton is the reason Kamara is here, we found Diamonds like Pierre Thomas & Marquis Colston.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 963853)

Or maybe the players know it’s on them for playing like crap and not being responsible for their performance. Fumbles and missed tackles aren’t always on the coach.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 963886)

Allen’s got 99 problems but that ain’t one. Those players are grown ass men and playing at a professional level, if they aren’t able to reach down and drag their own d1cks out of the dirt by now then maybe they shouldn’t be out there. They have ALL faced adversity before and should be seasoned enough to overcome that crap.

Your boss come in on Monday and give you a pep talk?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 963907)

I was thinking same thing Oak. Of course, I thought a lot of Payton’s calls were suspect too.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964831)

Well, I think when evaluating Allen’s performance this year some are glossing over the impact that Injuries and Refs had and are dumping a little too much on his shoulders…especially anything to do with the Raiders.

Some people may be unaware of the sorry state of the Raider franchise and their MO from about 94 on. A really good coach like Gruden who had a good QB in Gannon was able to have short term success. But they ran him out of town because of Al Davis’ ego.

I was living 12 miles from Oakland during the Allen tenure (as well as years before and after) so I heard their news daily and watched their games each week (when not blacked out) and tell you he was not the reason the team struggled. Here were the Raider win totals going backwards from his first 4-12 season:
8
8
5
5
4
2
4
5
4

It was a dysfunctional franchise. Crazy Al Davis was running things his way and that included player/coaching decisions. They had drafted Jamarcus Russell. They had no quality QB in years before he took over. Allen drafted Carr, the only decent player at the position since Rich Gannon. One year after drafting Carr he’s fired and Oakland has a 12 win season the year after that with the QB Allen wanted leading the team. But guess what…they were back to a 6 win season the next year and a 4 win season again the year after that. Point is hardly anyone was going to have success at Oakland during that time.

A lot of users here seem to remember Payton having last year’s Saints team playing much more competitively than this year’s team. They weren’t. In games not started by Winston last year the Saints were 4-6. They got blown out 40 to 29 by Philadelphia and 31 to 6 by Buffalo. It could be a part of the reason Payton cut bait and “retired”…he knew it was going to be tough sledding.

And I’ll say this again for the dozenth time, I don’t point these things out in support of Allen as being the coach next year. I say them because they are facts that should be considered.

I think different coaching decisions may have added 2 to 3 more wins for the team. I also think that fair refereeing would’ve added those same three wins just like players not fumbling or making catches (or Ingram not blowing out a knee one yard short of a first) would have added three wins to the team. We’d then be looking at a 7-6 team very similar as we were to last year about this time.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964836)

We've been over this before. I blame players for their mistakes, you blame coaching for not telling them to not make mistakes.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964836)

We've been over this before. I blame players for their mistakes, you blame coaching for not telling them to not make mistakes.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964845)

You have Allen responsible for EVERYTHING from a missed FG to a bad call to a dropped pass. Get in the real world.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964895)

Just watched the Ram’s RB fumble. Man Sean McVay is a crappy coach.

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 964788)

Saints future - Team will consist of NFL has beens, and future hall of famer rookies(whom will be traded for more has beens)..... the circle is complete.

Trust me....its true.

:rofl:

So glad to have witnessed the Saints SuperBowl Win... Bounty Gate...and the saints players knocking the snot out of opponents. When football was actually football. Not sure, the play of today amounts to football of any sort. Maybe finesse_ball. :dunce:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 964901)

Careful with that one, it calls into question what you know. There is some degree of holding on every play of every game.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964844)

This is his answer to reporters. Who knows what he is telling his team. Do you deny that had a ball or two been caught, or Ingram not blown his knee one yard short of a first down, or the refs called hold in the 4th quarter the outcome would be different?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964938)

Someone please tell me what coaching can be done to stop the refs from screwing you? Payton couldn’t do it in the NFCCG….Allen couldn’t do it in the 4th quarter of a Monday night game against Brady.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 964939)

The refs were right on that 44 yard OPI call on Adebo, however. Did you see how pissed off Allen was on the sideline immediately after Adebo pulled that bonehead move? That had the look of a coach that has been trying to pound it into the heads of his players to play smarter just to see them screw up again.

Just like Boston here, I'm not saying Aleen should be sticking around, but it's mostly on the players for failing to execute.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964938)

Someone please tell me what coaching can be done to stop the refs from screwing you? Payton couldn’t do it in the NFCCG….Allen couldn’t do it in the 4th quarter of a Monday night game against Brady.

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 964943)

Pull the strings of whoever is pulling the strings of Vegas... anybody got any juice for that?

I just wonder if Snyder is being pushed out because he's got some cheese that makes some important people sweat.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964945)

You're entering unholy territory here, which might make it harder to call high-level PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES "boneheaded"... Also might make it harder to enjoy a sport that falls under the category of "Entertainment" or "Advertising".

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964945)

You're entering unholy territory here, which might make it harder to call high-level PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES "boneheaded"... Also might make it harder to enjoy a sport that falls under the category of "Entertainment" or "Advertising".

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 964909)

This would make sense if you were talking about something non-competitive and not played with emotion. Coach sets the tone for team don't sit up here and be ignorant to the reality of ENERGY MOMENTUM because it's convenient for your statement. Should you need it every game NO but, sometimes the things Sean did to motivate guys was just enough to keep alert ready prepared aware etc....Everything doesn't have to be rah rah to be motivate either

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964936)

Major posted a video about it. Even Florio called it out. I’m willing to question what I know. That doesn’t mean I can’t spot a missed call.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 964956)

Not my point at all, didn’t question any call. You commented about refs not calling specific holding calls. My point is that, that is actually the case most of the game. If they called them all, the ball would never move forward outside of a punt and even then it would get called back.

The difference between holding and not holding on the line is whether the hands slip to the outside of the pads where the Ref can see them. If the hands don’t slip that O-Lineman is still holding that defender by his pads most of the time because he knows if he can just slow him by a fraction of a second the QB may get the pass off or the RB may squeak by.

A successful play is based on fractions of a second but close wins and losses are because both teams played with heart or sh1t the bed.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964959)

Apparently the difference in a hold and not a hold is what the ref feels like calling. They felt like letting Tampa’s line get away with it.