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F***ing joke

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Allen is at fault for the missed FG too.

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Oh, I see Jerry Rice was there to be honored. No chance they were gonna let us win.

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No, that and the fumbles are all on Loomis.

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I get that alot of this crap is self inflicted by the players, but I'm also thinking that just the presence of a coach that is respected/feared has alot to do with this also.
Sure DA is respected, but going from a proven coach forged with fire from many battles having to outwit the enemy can will a team to victory in close qtrs.
Payton tasted blood like a wild dog on the sidelines and it made the troops ready for War!
I'm very frustrated along with many.
Watching this thing fall apart is tough man.

DA will more than likely get another year..
It just doesn't look good and hard to witness tbh.

Truly disgusted and can't put my finger on it besides the obvious.

Just trying to keep things within reason I guess.

This sucks but it still ain't over..


Boo-Dat

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It is a little more fundamental than that. You are taking a defensive checker player and trying to win an offensive chess match... Square peg, round hole.

I said it the day he was promoted, that promotion weakened both our offense and defense. :bng:

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Agreed. And they’re talking about giving him a second year for what? I’m questioning all the higher ups now, including Gayle Benson and Mickey Loomis. If this is how Mrs. Benson is going to allow this team to be run then she needs to give up the reigns to a New Orleanian that really wants to win.

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The team is just missing a QB to lead them. I don't like Allen as HC but this could easily be a good football team if we got some offense going. I can't blame him for any of that therefore I don't believe we can fire him.

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I can't give him that out. The Redskins are winning with Taylor Heineke. The Jets have a winning record with Zack Wilson starting most of their games. The Titans continue to win with Ryan Tannehlll at the helm. The Giants have Daniel Jones. The 49ers have Jimmy Garoppolo. Dennis Allen is just a bad coach.

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The reasons he will get a second year have very little to do with him. A short list of what will be stated as reasons, none of which are valid for the reasons I will add..

- He doesn't have his own people. (Because he didn't put them in place, strike 1.)

- An executive or two signed off on him as a HC. (No one that was instrumental in installing him wants to go after the end of the season so they will rationalize to Mrs. Benson reasons why he should get a second year then put pressure on him to perform to save their jobs.)

- The media, starving for something to talk about, will rally to his side with the "you cant fire someone after just one season BS". (This is only valid if Dennis Allen would have started to rebuild in the off season; he didn't, that window is closed since his first choice was the wrong choice.. Strike 2)

- He made a second year a condition of accepting the HC position. (Because I would have and if he didnt, he really needs to go now mid season because he is truly a checker player and cant see 2 feet in front of himself).

I remember the threads vividly with many people hanging their hat on Dennis Allen because he meant continuity.. Ignoring the glaring performance and talent issues.

There is always the possibility (didn't say probability) that this was orchestrated to give Sean a year off and he returns and Dennis resumes his Defensive role. On a certain level, I do not buy any of this bull****. I am supposed to believe that Sean Payton, the quintessential chess player, woke up on a Saturday morning and said f*** it, I am done. I am supposed to believe that after 15 years of working very closely together through a lot of BS (Bountygate/Vicodin/Loss of Tom), Mickey Loomis didn't know it was coming?

A $3.5BN franchise does not exist without very painstakingly developed succession plans for each and every critical position. If it does, the entire executive level needs to be on the curb by noon.

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Well said... and that being said, did SP haul azz cuz he wanted to coach elsewhere and take a year off? Or did he wake up one morning and thought about Mahomes and started hitting himself in the face? Or is it a dark plan to help the Saints with draft picks when he coaches somewhere else? It's not likely he comes back. He cut bait and left. And management dropped the ball in the guise of continuity. We as fans brought it hookline and sinker. In reality you do what the Steelers did when they replaced their coach. The telltale is the demand by other teams, or lack thereof, for Saints coaches and assistants. :bng:

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Just keep doing what you're doing. That is a response from a loser who doesn't know how to run the team. We could win a couple of these next games because our division just stinks. However, I wouldn't count on that. Dennis Allen will unfortunately get another year since this is a family run business. But I don't want Dennis Allen back. We need a motivator!

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Can somebody post the petition on here so that I can sign it? :p

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Waste of time, Rugs. Nobody cares about those stupid petitions.

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LOL. I JUST got a text from a poker buddy who is a long time season ticket holder to the Pats. They wanted to know “As a long time ticket holder how concerned are you about the direction of the team?”. Billichik is on the hot seat. What a crazy sport.

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There is very little energy in this man. Yesterday's meltdown was just as bad as the Falcons vs Brady. Critical play was 3rd and less than a yard. Why are you throwing a slant to a cold, nonproductive target in Callaway? That was ridiculous to me.

Critical mistakes in critical moments.

The Saints need better direction.

They'll give him another season, but they shouldn't.

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Coaching is like cooking: not everyone can do it, but when it's done completely wrong everyone can smell it and taste it.

I won't sign the petition because the organization is going to need to figure it out for themselves. It's above my pay grade.

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Bad teams find ways to lose, and thats what this team does, over and over.

It can be the offense fumbling, throwing interceptions, not establishing a running game, bad playcalling and going 3 and out constantly.

It can be the Punter shanking kicks or Lutz missing field goals.

It can be the defense playing soft, missing tackles, making stupid fouls. We've done them all and they still dont learn.

Notice how Devin White tracked Kamara all over the field and never gave him space. Our guys played off so much, Brady would be stupid to not check down, because they play off and then can't tackle.

Adebo has no place in this starting lineup, he's god awful.

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Saints future - Team will consist of NFL has beens, and future hall of famer rookies(whom will be traded for more has beens)..... the circle is complete.

Trust me....its true.

:rofl:

So glad to have witnessed the Saints SuperBowl Win... Bounty Gate...and the saints players knocking the snot out of opponents. When football was actually football. Not sure, the play of today amounts to football of any sort. Maybe finesse_ball. :dunce:

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Word on the street is that Dennis Allen signed it after Monday nights game.

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Lol!

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“I have confidence in our offense and what we’re doing. We just have to be more consistent in what we’re doing.” - Dennis Allen after the loss against the Bucs.

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These are the same fans wanting him to take over for SP last year. One and done is stupid. Give the guy a chance. He had no qb and was in cap hell

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Are we talking about the same HC who went 4-12, 4-13, 0-4 in Oakland?

:o Now CURRENTLY 4-9 in New Orleans?

Gotcha.

Dennis may be a decent DC but he’s not HC material.

The excuses on why he isn’t winning games is getting a bit old.

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Man the Payton era blinded and spoiled a whole lot of “fans”.

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Well, I think when evaluating Allen’s performance this year some are glossing over the impact that Injuries and Refs had and are dumping a little too much on his shoulders…especially anything to do with the Raiders.

Some people may be unaware of the sorry state of the Raider franchise and their MO from about 94 on. A really good coach like Gruden who had a good QB in Gannon was able to have short term success. But they ran him out of town because of Al Davis’ ego.

I was living 12 miles from Oakland during the Allen tenure (as well as years before and after) so I heard their news daily and watched their games each week (when not blacked out) and tell you he was not the reason the team struggled. Here were the Raider win totals going backwards from his first 4-12 season:
8
8
5
5
4
2
4
5
4

It was a dysfunctional franchise. Crazy Al Davis was running things his way and that included player/coaching decisions. They had drafted Jamarcus Russell. They had no quality QB in years before he took over. Allen drafted Carr, the only decent player at the position since Rich Gannon. One year after drafting Carr he’s fired and Oakland has a 12 win season the year after that with the QB Allen wanted leading the team. But guess what…they were back to a 6 win season the next year and a 4 win season again the year after that. Point is hardly anyone was going to have success at Oakland during that time.

A lot of users here seem to remember Payton having last year’s Saints team playing much more competitively than this year’s team. They weren’t. In games not started by Winston last year the Saints were 4-6. They got blown out 40 to 29 by Philadelphia and 31 to 6 by Buffalo. It could be a part of the reason Payton cut bait and “retired”…he knew it was going to be tough sledding.

And I’ll say this again for the dozenth time, I don’t point these things out in support of Allen as being the coach next year. I say them because they are facts that should be considered.

I think different coaching decisions may have added 2 to 3 more wins for the team. I also think that fair refereeing would’ve added those same three wins just like players not fumbling or making catches (or Ingram not blowing out a knee one yard short of a first) would have added three wins to the team. We’d then be looking at a 7-6 team very similar as we were to last year about this time.

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“I have confidence in our offense and what we’re doing. We just have to be more consistent in what we’re doing.”

- Dennis Allen after the loss against the Bucs.

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You want him not to have confidence? They hold onto the ball or make a catch or not get screwed they win the game.

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I have confidence. That's my job as a Fan. Head Coach's job is to COACH HIS TEAM to a WIN.

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We've been over this before. I blame players for their mistakes, you blame coaching for not telling them to not make mistakes.

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If a Coach say's to his players, "just keep doing what you're doing" (making mistakes and losing games), I don't blame him, I replace him with a Coach that WINS GAMES.

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And you think Allen said "Keep on Fumbling"? I doubt that

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He writes his own eulogy. All I have to do is copy and paste: “I have confidence in our offense and what we’re doing. We just have to be more consistent in what we’re doing.” - Dennis Allen after the loss against the Bucs.

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What is wrong with that statement? If they follow it they catch a couple more passes and get a call or two. You are proving my point. Thanks!

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"... be more consistent in what we're doing"? Yo Coach, we're consistently losing. You want more of that? Then you're doing a great job! See you next year for more of the same!

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Even when I was in over my head coaching youth basketball for two years, I don't think I ever uttered anything like "keep doing what you're doing". How does that motivate anyone, to deal in generalities? It's better to say nothing. DA isn't even good at coach-speak :rolleyes:


I should give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he coaches better within the halls of the locker room, but then I see the temperament of our team on game day and it's clear he doesn't have the pulse of his players or assistants.

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This is his answer to reporters. Who knows what he is telling his team. Do you deny that had a ball or two been caught, or Ingram not blown his knee one yard short of a first down, or the refs called hold in the 4th quarter the outcome would be different?

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You have Allen responsible for EVERYTHING from a missed FG to a bad call to a dropped pass. Get in the real world.

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No. Our current Head Coach is responsible for NOTHING. I have made peace with that. Can't wait for the next game!

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It's week 13 and we're still looking to improve on situational football and execution :rolleyes:.

Genius.