Kamara or Lattimore Trade

bobdog86 · 12-14-2022, 05:25 PM

Dead money....blah blah blah. Everyone should be made expendable if we are truly in the rebuild mode. Which we should be. If we have to suck for a while then we suck for a while. Half-assing it with unrealistic expectations is no way to go, and is what we are currently doing.

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

Dead money....blah blah blah. Everyone should be made expendable if we are truly in the rebuild mode. Which we should be. If we have to suck for a while then we suck for a while. Half-assing it with unrealistic expectations is no way to go, and is what we are currently doing.

Why rebuild when our roster is loaded with really good players? Just for the **** of it?

Sinner · 12-14-2022, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why rebuild when our roster is loaded with really good players? Just for the **** of it?

Just need a Head Coach, and we could begin to bounce back!

BakoSaint · 12-14-2022, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why rebuild when our roster is loaded with really good players? Just for the **** of it?

Because of the ****ing results and that we are losing key players every offseason (hendrickson, williams, armstead) and because our oline is no good and because we need youth but can onky afford limps and war stories. Also we dont bave a qb, the picks to get one, the coaches to teach one, or the line to protect one.

AsylumGuido · 12-15-2022, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Because of the ****ing results and that we are losing key players every offseason (hendrickson, williams, armstead) and because our oline is no good and because we need youth but can onky afford limps and war stories. Also we dont bave a qb, the picks to get one, the coaches to teach one, or the line to protect one.

I don't know if you just simply ignore what's going on with other teams across the league, but virtually all of them lose players to free agency every year.

As for QB, you yourself I believe just pointed out the rarity of getting an "elite" QB with a first round pick anyway. We have the picks to get one, I believe we have the coaches to coach them, and once all of our offensive linemen are off IR, we have the offensive line to protect them.

halloween 65 · 12-16-2022, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't know if you just simply ignore what's going on with other teams across the league, but virtually all of them lose players to free agency every year.

As for QB, you yourself I believe just pointed out the rarity of getting an "elite" QB with a first round pick anyway. We have the picks to get one, I believe we have the coaches to coach them, and once all of our offensive linemen are off IR, we have the offensive line to protect them.

We don't have a first round pick so unless your suggesting bundling multiple picks like Dicka did for Williams or giving up a 2024 1st + a 2025 1st for a 2023 1st that's not helping, it's hurting. And if you haven't noticed our LOSING record, we don't have the coaches to coach this team. I really don't know where some of your comments come from on here. You really need to look and not just make things up. Payton was a good gambler, Allen is just a gambling loser, there is a huge differnce between those 2 gamblers.

AsylumGuido · 12-16-2022, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

We don't have a first round pick so unless your suggesting bundling multiple picks like Dicka did for Williams or giving up a 2024 1st + a 2025 1st for a 2023 1st that's not helping, it's hurting. And if you haven't noticed our LOSING record, we don't have the coaches to coach this team. I really don't know where some of your comments come from on here. You really need to look and not just make things up. Payton was a good gambler, Allen is just a gambling loser, there is a huge differnce between those 2 gamblers.

Why do you think you have to have a first rounder to draft a QB? Only one QB (Pickett) was drafted last year in the first round and he wasn't taken until pick 20. The second QB (Ridder) wasn't taken until the 74th pick in the entire draft. The QB (Purdy) that has shown the most success wasn't taken until the final pick (#262) in the draft.

90% of QB's drafted never become regular starters regardless of what round they are selected. Even a smaller percent of those will become elite. It may take several years worth of picks to find our next long time starter. I believe you, and many others, are too fixated on a single pick from next year. There is a far better chance that Olave and Penning will be contributing to the Saints success years into the future than any QB would be drafted with the traded 2023 pick.

halloween 65 · 12-16-2022, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why do you think you have to have a first rounder to draft a QB? Only one QB (Pickett) was drafted last year in the first round and he wasn't taken until pick 20. The second QB (Ridder) wasn't taken until the 74th pick in the entire draft. The QB (Purdy) that has shown the most success wasn't taken until the final pick (#262) in the draft.

90% of QB's drafted never become regular starters regardless of what round they are selected. Even a smaller percent of those will become elite. It may take several years worth of picks to find our next long time starter. I believe you, and many others, are too fixated on a single pick from next year. There is a far better chance that Olave and Penning will be contributing to the Saints success years into the future than any QB would be drafted with the traded 2023 pick.

Like Brady, right, 199 I believe, don't quote me on that, but I might could see one drafted. I could see one starting a trial by fire.That way the coach is off the hook for the season. Pointing fingers , laying blame, you get the drift!! But what I can't see is who would develope him, do you? One has to have a game plan or waist draft picks, you know!!

12-14-2022, 05:25 PM	#1
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Dead money....blah blah blah. Everyone should be made expendable if we are truly in the rebuild mode. Which we should be. If we have to suck for a while then we suck for a while. Half-assing it with unrealistic expectations is no way to go, and is what we are currently doing.

12-14-2022, 07:09 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why rebuild when our roster is loaded with really good players? Just for the **** of it? Just need a Head Coach, and we could begin to bounce back!
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12-14-2022, 08:29 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why rebuild when our roster is loaded with really good players? Just for the ** of it? Because of the **ing results and that we are losing key players every offseason (hendrickson, williams, armstead) and because our oline is no good and because we need youth but can onky afford limps and war stories. Also we dont bave a qb, the picks to get one, the coaches to teach one, or the line to protect one.
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12-15-2022, 08:46 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Originally Posted by BakoSaint Because of the ****ing results and that we are losing key players every offseason (hendrickson, williams, armstead) and because our oline is no good and because we need youth but can onky afford limps and war stories. Also we dont bave a qb, the picks to get one, the coaches to teach one, or the line to protect one. I don't know if you just simply ignore what's going on with other teams across the league, but virtually all of them lose players to free agency every year. As for QB, you yourself I believe just pointed out the rarity of getting an "elite" QB with a first round pick anyway. We have the picks to get one, I believe we have the coaches to coach them, and once all of our offensive linemen are off IR, we have the offensive line to protect them.

12-16-2022, 06:22 AM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't know if you just simply ignore what's going on with other teams across the league, but virtually all of them lose players to free agency every year. As for QB, you yourself I believe just pointed out the rarity of getting an "elite" QB with a first round pick anyway. We have the picks to get one, I believe we have the coaches to coach them, and once all of our offensive linemen are off IR, we have the offensive line to protect them. We don't have a first round pick so unless your suggesting bundling multiple picks like Dicka did for Williams or giving up a 2024 1st + a 2025 1st for a 2023 1st that's not helping, it's hurting. And if you haven't noticed our LOSING record, we don't have the coaches to coach this team. I really don't know where some of your comments come from on here. You really need to look and not just make things up. Payton was a good gambler, Allen is just a gambling loser, there is a huge differnce between those 2 gamblers.

12-14-2022, 06:03 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Originally Posted by bobdog86 Dead money....blah blah blah. Everyone should be made expendable if we are truly in the rebuild mode. Which we should be. If we have to suck for a while then we suck for a while. Half-assing it with unrealistic expectations is no way to go, and is what we are currently doing. Why rebuild when our roster is loaded with really good players? Just for the **** of it?

12-16-2022, 07:52 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Originally Posted by halloween 65 We don't have a first round pick so unless your suggesting bundling multiple picks like Dicka did for Williams or giving up a 2024 1st + a 2025 1st for a 2023 1st that's not helping, it's hurting. And if you haven't noticed our LOSING record, we don't have the coaches to coach this team. I really don't know where some of your comments come from on here. You really need to look and not just make things up. Payton was a good gambler, Allen is just a gambling loser, there is a huge differnce between those 2 gamblers. Why do you think you have to have a first rounder to draft a QB? Only one QB (Pickett) was drafted last year in the first round and he wasn't taken until pick 20. The second QB (Ridder) wasn't taken until the 74th pick in the entire draft. The QB (Purdy) that has shown the most success wasn't taken until the final pick (#262) in the draft. 90% of QB's drafted never become regular starters regardless of what round they are selected. Even a smaller percent of those will become elite. It may take several years worth of picks to find our next long time starter. I believe you, and many others, are too fixated on a single pick from next year. There is a far better chance that Olave and Penning will be contributing to the Saints success years into the future than any QB would be drafted with the traded 2023 pick.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

12-16-2022, 05:15 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why do you think you have to have a first rounder to draft a QB? Only one QB (Pickett) was drafted last year in the first round and he wasn't taken until pick 20. The second QB (Ridder) wasn't taken until the 74th pick in the entire draft. The QB (Purdy) that has shown the most success wasn't taken until the final pick (#262) in the draft. 90% of QB's drafted never become regular starters regardless of what round they are selected. Even a smaller percent of those will become elite. It may take several years worth of picks to find our next long time starter. I believe you, and many others, are too fixated on a single pick from next year. There is a far better chance that Olave and Penning will be contributing to the Saints success years into the future than any QB would be drafted with the traded 2023 pick. Like Brady, right, 199 I believe, don't quote me on that, but I might could see one drafted. I could see one starting a trial by fire.That way the coach is off the hook for the season. Pointing fingers , laying blame, you get the drift!! But what I can't see is who would develope him, do you? One has to have a game plan or waist draft picks, you know!!