Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread

vpheughan · 01-03-2023, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Guess USC's Caleb didn't really deserve that Heisman. USC was arse too... or Tulane was yet underestimated again this year.

I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears.

As well as two Place Kickers. Eddie Murray and Cairo Santos. Both were available when the team needed one badly!

rezburna · 01-03-2023, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Guess USC's Caleb didn't really deserve that Heisman. USC was arse too... or Tulane was yet underestimated again this year.

I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears.

I think it's a mix of both. Tulane was VERY underrated and USC was VERY overrated. Caleb Williams is a monster though.

neugey · 01-03-2023, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Guess USC's Caleb didn't really deserve that Heisman. USC was arse too... or Tulane was yet underestimated again this year.

I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears.

Matt Forte, IIRC

AsylumGuido · 01-03-2023, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears.

Originally Posted by neugey

Matt Forte, IIRC

That was the 2008 draft. Forte was taken with the 44th pick. The Saints selected a guy named Tracy Porter that went on to be the hero of the Super Bowl with the 39th pick of the draft. (no pun intended)

I'll take the way that turned out.

SmashMouth · 01-03-2023, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That was the 2008 draft. Forte was taken with the 44th pick. The Saints selected a guy named Tracy Porter that went on to be the hero of the Super Bowl with the 39th pick of the draft. (no pun intended)

I'll take the way that turned out.

So long as we're playing 20/20, we could've/should've moved back and selected Talib, and still got Forte and another draft pick. Sedrick Ellis was a forgettable and very average pick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft

keithday123 · 01-03-2023, 05:01 PM

Safety is definitely a big need but weren’t the coaches impressed with Smoke during training camp and OTA’s

AsylumGuido · 01-03-2023, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by keithday123

Safety is definitely a big need but weren’t the coaches impressed with Smoke during training camp and OTA’s

I think he was being compared to Gardner-Johnson without the drama and for a base free agent rookie type contract.

halloween 65 · 01-04-2023, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think he was being compared to Gardner-Johnson without the drama and for a base free agent rookie type contract.

That's a hefty comparison to Johnson. Look at his stats.And to think we let him go.

papz · 01-05-2023, 07:54 AM

1. Extract maximum compensation for Payton.
2. Get under the cap so we can plan for future free agent acquistions. Not just primarily focusing on 2023.
3. Figure out the path of what we want to do at QB for the future and execute.
4. Beef up the DL.

Yes we're over the cap and yes our DL is aging but... it's still a very talented team. We actually do not need to do a complete reset, we just need to be smarter in the moves we make and how we make them. We're realistically not competing for the Lombardi next year but we can still play good competitive football and hope to get lucky. It is very important we don't get shortsighted and plan accordingly. 2024 will be the big year for the future of our franchise IMO unless we somehow land a big name at quarterback for next season.

All things considered, it really wasn't that bad of a year with all the injuries and the patchwork play at quarterback.

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2023, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by papz

1. Extract maximum compensation for Payton.
2. Get under the cap so we can plan for future free agent acquistions. Not just primarily focusing on 2023.
3. Figure out the path of what we want to do at QB for the future and execute.
4. Beef up the DL.

Yes we're over the cap and yes our DL is aging but... it's still a very talented team. We actually do not need to do a complete reset, we just need to be smarter in the moves we make and how we make them. We're realistically not competing for the Lombardi next year but we can still play good competitive football and hope to get lucky. It is very important we don't get shortsighted and plan accordingly. 2024 will be the big year for the future of our franchise IMO unless we somehow land a big name at quarterback for next season.

All things considered, it really wasn't that bad of a year with all the injuries and the patchwork play at quarterback.

Getting maximum compensation for Payton isn't as straight forward as it seems. It comes down to where Payton wants to go. The more a team is willing to give up for him in draft capital the less Payton would have at his disposal when he gets there. His final destination is solely his decision. The Saints just aren't in that much of a position to make demands.

As for cap, there's actually well over $100 million available of easily convertible cap in base salaries, roster and workout bonuses.

01-03-2023, 11:59 AM	#1
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,544	re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Guess USC's Caleb didn't really deserve that Heisman. USC was arse too... or Tulane was yet underestimated again this year. I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears. As well as two Place Kickers. Eddie Murray and Cairo Santos. Both were available when the team needed one badly!
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01-03-2023, 12:13 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Guess USC's Caleb didn't really deserve that Heisman. USC was arse too... or Tulane was yet underestimated again this year. I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears. I think it's a mix of both. Tulane was VERY underrated and USC was VERY overrated. Caleb Williams is a monster though.

01-03-2023, 12:35 PM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,835 Blog Entries: 13	re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Guess USC's Caleb didn't really deserve that Heisman. USC was arse too... or Tulane was yet underestimated again this year. I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears. Matt Forte, IIRC AsylumGuido likes this.

01-03-2023, 12:43 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears. Originally Posted by neugey Matt Forte, IIRC That was the 2008 draft. Forte was taken with the 44th pick. The Saints selected a guy named Tracy Porter that went on to be the hero of the Super Bowl with the 39th pick of the draft. (no pun intended) I'll take the way that turned out.

01-03-2023, 12:55 PM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,554 Blog Entries: 29	re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That was the 2008 draft. Forte was taken with the 44th pick. The Saints selected a guy named Tracy Porter that went on to be the hero of the Super Bowl with the 39th pick of the draft. (no pun intended) I'll take the way that turned out. So long as we're playing 20/20, we could've/should've moved back and selected Talib, and still got Forte and another draft pick. Sedrick Ellis was a forgettable and very average pick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-03-2023, 05:01 PM	#6
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01-03-2023, 06:59 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by keithday123 Safety is definitely a big need but weren’t the coaches impressed with Smoke during training camp and OTA’s I think he was being compared to Gardner-Johnson without the drama and for a base free agent rookie type contract.

01-04-2023, 07:42 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think he was being compared to Gardner-Johnson without the drama and for a base free agent rookie type contract. That's a hefty comparison to Johnson. Look at his stats.And to think we let him go. Big_L likes this.

01-05-2023, 07:54 AM	#9
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01-05-2023, 08:50 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by papz 1. Extract maximum compensation for Payton. 2. Get under the cap so we can plan for future free agent acquistions. Not just primarily focusing on 2023. 3. Figure out the path of what we want to do at QB for the future and execute. 4. Beef up the DL. Yes we're over the cap and yes our DL is aging but... it's still a very talented team. We actually do not need to do a complete reset, we just need to be smarter in the moves we make and how we make them. We're realistically not competing for the Lombardi next year but we can still play good competitive football and hope to get lucky. It is very important we don't get shortsighted and plan accordingly. 2024 will be the big year for the future of our franchise IMO unless we somehow land a big name at quarterback for next season. All things considered, it really wasn't that bad of a year with all the injuries and the patchwork play at quarterback. Getting maximum compensation for Payton isn't as straight forward as it seems. It comes down to where Payton wants to go. The more a team is willing to give up for him in draft capital the less Payton would have at his disposal when he gets there. His final destination is solely his decision. The Saints just aren't in that much of a position to make demands. As for cap, there's actually well over $100 million available of easily convertible cap in base salaries, roster and workout bonuses.