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Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; -Misses on Davenport, Turner, Penning and Ruiz has really hurt the team. A #1 has to have impact. -They counted on Winston to progress and be dynamic. He just isn't. -Dalton is a solid NFL backup. Not a starter on ...

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Old 01-09-2023, 08:32 AM   #1
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Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers

-Misses on Davenport, Turner, Penning and Ruiz has really hurt the team. A #1 has to have impact.
-They counted on Winston to progress and be dynamic. He just isn't.
-Dalton is a solid NFL backup. Not a starter on a non-playoff team.
-Thomas and Peat do not deserve their salaries. Take the cap hit and move on.
-Give Lutz some competition next camp.
Draft a QB and play him.
-Find a pending RB to pair with Kamara.
-At the very least shake up the offensive staff.
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Old 01-09-2023, 10:02 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Cruize View Post
-Misses on Davenport, Turner, Penning and Ruiz has really hurt the team. A #1 has to have impact.
-They counted on Winston to progress and be dynamic. He just isn't.
-Dalton is a solid NFL backup. Not a starter on a non-playoff team.
-Thomas and Peat do not deserve their salaries. Take the cap hit and move on.
-Give Lutz some competition next camp.
Draft a QB and play him.
-Find a pending RB to pair with Kamara.
-At the very least shake up the offensive staff.
Penning, a "miss"???

Winston only needed to be the same, not better. Certainly not worse.

Agree on others
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Old 01-09-2023, 10:29 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Penning, a "miss"???

Winston only needed to be the same, not better. Certainly not worse.

Agree on others
It seems like about half of first rounders miss. Thats football. But that is why you dont trade two first rounders for one and draft anraw prospect like Davenport who had proven neither ability nor durability against high level competition.

Penning is not neccessarily a miss yet but injury in first year makes him more likely to end up a miss. But in another sense we paid a lot in future picks to trade for a second first rounder in 2022 to ‘win now’ and we definitely missed on ‘winning now’ with Penning contributing nothing ‘now.’ We would have been much better off to skip the trade with Philly, and throw in an extra 4th rounder or something to trade up for Olave from 18 instead of 16, and still have a 1st rounder in 2023 and a 2nd rounder in 2024.

I think it would be the right thing to move on from Kamara just Like Carolina moved on from McCaffery. By the team we are ready to compete for a ring not just a token playoff appearance he will be too old. Unfortunately the looming suspension clouds his value. It may be best to trade him at the deadline after his suspension. To prepare for that it would be best to avoid restructuring his contract in a way that makes the cap hit to trade prohibitive.

We also need to realize that almost winning our division may not be a plus. We were 7-10 in a historically weak division. This is worse than being 7-10 in a strong division, because divisions do not tend to stay historically weak 2 years in a row. We might have been 6-11 or something in a better division. The way things work our division will likely get harder next year. The Falcons and Panthers will have lots of cap space and draft picks. They will improve at QB. It will still likely be a weak division but history says it will get harder, which does not favor the two older teams with no cap space.
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