What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?

Rugby Saint II · 03-05-2023, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ?

Drafting Hooker in the first round is a possibility since it would give us the fifth year option and I'm not sure that he would be there at pick #40 in the second round, which means we would probably have to trade up using additional draft capital that we badly need to fill several glaring roster holes.

Originally Posted by subguy

Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

Surgery and rehab has come along way recently and athletes comeback quicker and stronger than previous treatments allowed. Hooker says he sometimes feels the need to slow down some because he is so far ahead of schedule and doesn't want to risk injuring his knee.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

If he's there and he's our guy, I wouldn't be annoyed.

I would be ecstatic if the Saints draft him. Even if Carr in under contract I still want to draft him for the future and not just focus on the short term solution.

60%+ completion percentage every year
Low int numbers and almost 30 passing TD's per season.

Those are some eye opening numbers.

Originally Posted by rezburna

Unequivocally.

I have never been more adamant about wanting to draft a player. He's smart, accurate, and knows what it takes to win. He's a true leader. Both on and off the field. His moxy and intangibles are off the charts.

K Major · 03-05-2023, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices).

My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA)

. If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month.

I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr.

I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though.

To be continued ...

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2023, 03:32 PM

rezburna · 03-05-2023, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices).

My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA) . If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month.

I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr.

I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though.

To be continued ...

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Rugby Saint II · 03-05-2023, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Dennis Allen may feel like Carr gives him a better chance of winning next season and after last season he's looking over his shoulder and wants to win now. He might not get a couple of years to develop a rookie if we aren't winning now.

If we don't draft Hendon Hooker I'll be seriously disappointed in the front offices' vision for the New Orleans Saints future which is still win now at all costs. I am not sold on Carr coming in and leading us back to relevance but he's really the best available from a limited mid tier QB pool.

I'm not so sure we couldn't win now with Hendon Hooker if we build the right system for him rather than pigeon holing him in Drews old play book. I just don't know if we have the right coaches to develop a dual threat QB. He's great in the pocket and somewhat elusive but he thrives with designed runs too.

halloween 65 · 03-05-2023, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

subguy · 03-05-2023, 07:12 PM

I am really torn. I most certainly see the importance in drafting youth. I also see the importance of veteran presence. I am not a Carr fan. I would feel more at peace with another veteran option, just not sure that exists. Having both may not be possible, but would be my wish. Any rookie gains being behind a solid veteran.

Hooker has ties already on the team, which is a plus. His last couple of seasons at TN were okay. Who was he behind at QB at VT?

Rugby Saint II · 03-05-2023, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move.

Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year.

David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though.

Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down.

He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous.

If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year.

SmashMouth · 03-05-2023, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move.

Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year.

David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though.

Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down.

He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous.

If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year.

Print the Hooker T-shirts ! Make a deal with HOOTERS! Hooker's Hooters !

Carr isn't worth the price for a middle of the road QB.

Mr.Riaton · 03-05-2023, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Print the Hooker T-shirts ! Make a deal with HOOTERS! Hooker's Hooters !

Carr isn't worth the price for a middle of the road QB.

He may seem like a middle tier QB but I have a feeling he’ll be way better in the right system, especially the one we run.
Brees was with the chargers for 5 years before coming to the saints, so I compared his stats with Carrs first five years and they were pretty damn close with Carr having slightly better stats from what I can see. Sometimes it just takes the right place with the right system to bring out the best. I’m on the fence with Carmichael, but I’d like to give him a chance with Carr to see if he still has it. If we get him and I’m wrong, I’ll own it

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by K Major So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ? Drafting Hooker in the first round is a possibility since it would give us the fifth year option and I'm not sure that he would be there at pick #40 in the second round, which means we would probably have to trade up using additional draft capital that we badly need to fill several glaring roster holes. Originally Posted by subguy Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks? Surgery and rehab has come along way recently and athletes comeback quicker and stronger than previous treatments allowed. Hooker says he sometimes feels the need to slow down some because he is so far ahead of schedule and doesn't want to risk injuring his knee. Originally Posted by dizzle88 If he's there and he's our guy, I wouldn't be annoyed. I would be ecstatic if the Saints draft him. Even if Carr in under contract I still want to draft him for the future and not just focus on the short term solution. 60%+ completion percentage every year Low int numbers and almost 30 passing TD's per season. Those are some eye opening numbers. Originally Posted by rezburna Unequivocally. I have never been more adamant about wanting to draft a player. He's smart, accurate, and knows what it takes to win. He's a true leader. Both on and off the field. His moxy and intangibles are off the charts. rezburna likes this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by subguy Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks? Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices). My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA) . If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month. I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr. I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though. To be continued ... jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by K Major Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices). My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA) . If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month. I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr. I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though. To be continued ... If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr. SmashMouth likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by rezburna If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr. Dennis Allen may feel like Carr gives him a better chance of winning next season and after last season he's looking over his shoulder and wants to win now. He might not get a couple of years to develop a rookie if we aren't winning now. If we don't draft Hendon Hooker I'll be seriously disappointed in the front offices' vision for the New Orleans Saints future which is still win now at all costs. I am not sold on Carr coming in and leading us back to relevance but he's really the best available from a limited mid tier QB pool. I'm not so sure we couldn't win now with Hendon Hooker if we build the right system for him rather than pigeon holing him in Drews old play book. I just don't know if we have the right coaches to develop a dual threat QB. He's great in the pocket and somewhat elusive but he thrives with designed runs too. Mr.Riaton likes this.
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subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? I am really torn. I most certainly see the importance in drafting youth. I also see the importance of veteran presence. I am not a Carr fan. I would feel more at peace with another veteran option, just not sure that exists. Having both may not be possible, but would be my wish. Any rookie gains being behind a solid veteran. Hooker has ties already on the team, which is a plus. His last couple of seasons at TN were okay. Who was he behind at QB at VT?

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Carr is proven, Hooker isn't. I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move. Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year. David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though. Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down. He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous. If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by rezburna If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr. Originally Posted by halloween 65 Carr is proven, Hooker isn't. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move. Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year. David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though. Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down. He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous. If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year. Print the Hooker T-shirts ! Make a deal with HOOTERS! Hooker's Hooters ! Carr isn't worth the price for a middle of the road QB.

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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Print the Hooker T-shirts ! Make a deal with HOOTERS! Hooker's Hooters ! Carr isn't worth the price for a middle of the road QB. He may seem like a middle tier QB but I have a feeling he’ll be way better in the right system, especially the one we run. Brees was with the chargers for 5 years before coming to the saints, so I compared his stats with Carrs first five years and they were pretty damn close with Carr having slightly better stats from what I can see. Sometimes it just takes the right place with the right system to bring out the best. I’m on the fence with Carmichael, but I’d like to give him a chance with Carr to see if he still has it. If we get him and I’m wrong, I’ll own it AsylumGuido and halloween 65 like this.