Tanking 2023 Season

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 09:15 AM

This falls in line with what I was just saying.

leilung · 02-02-2023, 09:33 AM

Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working.

Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?

neugey · 02-02-2023, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working.

Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?

Spurs tank for Tim Duncan. But that one was a little different, since David Robinson was hurt for a long period of time and I think they made a business decision not to bring him back due to the bad record incurred.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Spurs tank for Tim Duncan. But that one was a little different, since David Robinson was hurt for a long period of time and I think they made a business decision not to bring him back due to the bad record incurred.

Yup. That's the point I was just making. The NBA is a five player game. Not a game like the NFL where you have no fewer than 30 players (offense, defense, special teams) trying their best to win.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working.

Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?

The only way a team can tank is if it happens from the top. There isn't a player or coach that is going to do anything but try to win every game. The only way a team could ever tank would be for the GM and/or owner to dump all of the quality players from the roster. And what does that accomplish? You get some good draft picks, but you are stuck with an otherwise horrible roster. That's why it would never work in a sport with a 53 man roster. Now the NBA with a very limited roster and lineup, yes, that is a possibility.

K Major · 02-02-2023, 10:07 AM

Tanking in the NFL is a myth.

Drafting #1 doesn't really change the culture or your team (maybe Cincy as the exception). Selecting a player top 1-3 in the draft has a ton of "misses" than "hits" over the last two decades. Simply a shot in the dark. You could end up with a Jamarcus Russell just as easily as a Joe Burrow.

You still need to draft the right guy & most teams don't.

My .02.

SmashMouth · 02-02-2023, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Tanking in the NFL is a myth.

Drafting #1 doesn't really change the culture or your team (maybe Cincy as the exception). Selecting a player top 1-3 in the draft has a ton of "misses" than "hits" over the last two decades. Simply a shot in the dark. You could end up with a Jamarcus Russell just as easily as a Joe Burrow.

You still need to draft the right guy & most teams don't.

My .02.

I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.

Zach Wilson?

K Major · 02-02-2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.

Hmm, I don't know about that one.

Taco Charlton, Kevin White, Haskins (R.I.P), Rosen, Trubisky or your guy Mr. 2.8 QBR Sam Darnold. Zach Wilson still has time but he's trending as a bust of a QB.

Jury is still out on Trey Lance too.

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 11:31 AM

02-02-2023, 09:33 AM	#2
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,419	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working. Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?

02-02-2023, 09:44 AM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by leilung Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working. Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point? Spurs tank for Tim Duncan. But that one was a little different, since David Robinson was hurt for a long period of time and I think they made a business decision not to bring him back due to the bad record incurred. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

02-02-2023, 10:11 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by neugey Spurs tank for Tim Duncan. But that one was a little different, since David Robinson was hurt for a long period of time and I think they made a business decision not to bring him back due to the bad record incurred. Yup. That's the point I was just making. The NBA is a five player game. Not a game like the NFL where you have no fewer than 30 players (offense, defense, special teams) trying their best to win.

02-02-2023, 10:08 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by leilung Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working. Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point? The only way a team can tank is if it happens from the top. There isn't a player or coach that is going to do anything but try to win every game. The only way a team could ever tank would be for the GM and/or owner to dump all of the quality players from the roster. And what does that accomplish? You get some good draft picks, but you are stuck with an otherwise horrible roster. That's why it would never work in a sport with a 53 man roster. Now the NBA with a very limited roster and lineup, yes, that is a possibility.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-02-2023, 10:07 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,739 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Tanking in the NFL is a myth. Drafting #1 doesn't really change the culture or your team (maybe Cincy as the exception). Selecting a player top 1-3 in the draft has a ton of "misses" than "hits" over the last two decades. Simply a shot in the dark. You could end up with a Jamarcus Russell just as easily as a Joe Burrow. You still need to draft the right guy & most teams don't. My .02. jnormand, MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-02-2023, 09:15 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Tanking 2023 Season This falls in line with what I was just saying. Twitter

02-02-2023, 10:12 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by K Major Tanking in the NFL is a myth. Drafting #1 doesn't really change the culture or your team (maybe Cincy as the exception). Selecting a player top 1-3 in the draft has a ton of "misses" than "hits" over the last two decades. Simply a shot in the dark. You could end up with a Jamarcus Russell just as easily as a Joe Burrow. You still need to draft the right guy & most teams don't. My .02. I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.

02-02-2023, 10:15 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks. Zach Wilson? WW_Who_Dat likes this.

02-02-2023, 02:57 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,739 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks. Hmm, I don't know about that one. Taco Charlton, Kevin White, Haskins (R.I.P), Rosen, Trubisky or your guy Mr. 2.8 QBR Sam Darnold. Zach Wilson still has time but he's trending as a bust of a QB. Jury is still out on Trey Lance too. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.

02-22-2023, 11:31 AM	#10
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