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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint Don't tell me what I can and cannot fathom you insufferable glob of human trash. Just like your mother could fathom selling herself for a $20 bill I can fathom exactly the dynamics involved in the ...

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Old 03-26-2023, 05:43 PM   #1
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Don't tell me what I can and cannot fathom you insufferable glob of human trash. Just like your mother could fathom selling herself for a $20 bill I can fathom exactly the dynamics involved in the modern salary cap. Any team can always lived on borrowed money to dig out of debt for other borrowed money and field a .500-ish team. But living on borrowed money required contracts structured in a way where all your big gambles are 'un-cut-able' which leads to zombie cap spend on schlubs like Michael Thomas and Andrus Peat who don't contribute but you can't afford to move on. Whey you are so leveraged you depend on restructuring every big contract to get under the cap, which makes all the dead cap hits if you cut them giant, you can't even afford to pay your stars what the contract said each year, so paying more than that to get out of the contracts long term is impossible, so you become the team that would see Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Ezekiel Elliot, etc through, not just to the end of their disaster contracts that other teams cut, but that would actually extend them to stay longer to soften the cap hits. You just can't win that way long term.

Also, spending the 2023 cap in 2022 and spending the 2024 cap in 2023 may put you on a level playing field with other teams, maybe even give you 10% more to spend (though like I said, you will be spending a lot of it on bad decisions you can't escape like Peat and Thomas, so really its a bad deal), but level playing field gets you .500 not a ring. A team that spent their 2022 salary cap to fund 2022 has an option we don't have. If they think 2023 is their year, they can spend the 2023 cap and the 2024 cap in 2023. They can convert from their way to our way, and in that leap year or two, they can spend more than you could normally spend in either way. They can make a run, win the race for a ring, and then walk it off and rebuild. By always being leveraged to the max, we can't make a run by going into leverage when the window is there and making a lot of additions all at once around a young core. Thats how most rings are won these days, and you missed it idolizing looming and spanking your monkey about a 13yo ring.

What you don't seem to get, when you see other teams 'imitating our brilliant strategy' is that they are not doing it long term, they are trying to time a window. They are young and have cap room so they max out and they leverage up and they try to time the window. Often they can get a ring. When the leverage is too much, and the see a decline like going from 12-4 to 9-8 to 7-10, they rebuild and cut their bad contracts and aging players and stockpile some draft picks. Then they do it all again. But Mickey Loomis can't fathom this any more than he can fathom why other people don't start drinking at breakfast.

A good example of logical thinking is this piece on the Rams. They are doing exactly what I explain.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-to-pull-back/
Lovely. You are very disturbed, son. It's hard to respect the opinion of someone who calls your mother a cheap whore. Grow up.
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:48 PM   #2
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Lovely. You are very disturbed, son. It's hard to respect the opinion of someone who calls your mother a cheap whore. Grow up.
I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:50 PM   #3
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I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.
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I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.
BAA HAA HAA!!!!! If he talked about my mother I'd have a curse put on him. Guido, I've got a friend, Zulu priestess, who cleared the bad mojo back in 2006. Need the number for a good curse? PM me.

I'm not blocking Bako because this is way too entertaining!
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Old 03-27-2023, 02:26 PM   #5
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BAA HAA HAA!!!!! If he talked about my mother I'd have a curse put on him. Guido, I've got a friend, Zulu priestess, who cleared the bad mojo back in 2006. Need the number for a good curse? PM me.

I'm not blocking Bako because this is way too entertaining!
The guy is already cursed, Rugs. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. I'm back to ignoring him again, however, since I have still never read a single post of his that was even vaguely constructive or informative.
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The guy is already cursed, Rugs. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. I'm back to ignoring him again, however, since I have still never read a single post of his that was even vaguely constructive or informative.
Gosh I guess if I want to make constructive informative posts I should just post '20-0 Baby! 20-0 Baby!' over and over since its so constructive and informative to be on Mickey Loomis' jock 24/7. Fact is most of my posts are 1000x more constructive and informative than yours because they are not pure cheerleading. I am fine looking myself in the mirror because I am typically wearing a shirt and jeans. Looks a lot better than you in a Saintsations outfit.
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Gosh I guess if I want to make constructive informative posts I should just post '20-0 Baby! 20-0 Baby!' over and over since its so constructive and informative to be on Mickey Loomis' jock 24/7. Fact is most of my posts are 1000x more constructive and informative than yours because they are not pure cheerleading. I am fine looking myself in the mirror because I am typically wearing a shirt and jeans. Looks a lot better than you in a Saintsations outfit.
You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.
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You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.
Give up, Boston. His hatred is so deep-rooted that he can't recognize how far he is off the deep-end.
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You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.
I do see I am on opposite sides of spectrum of AG. Its not an infinite surprise that two people on opposite sides of the spectrum may talk a little smack now and then. I just don't like him getting up on a high horse in that cheerleader uniform of his and acting like he is the ultimate voice of reason. Unbridled optimism is not reason. It's an opinion, but not one where he should be saying everyone who disagrees with him is uninformed and not constructive just because they disagree.

Anyway, we all have our own perspectives but I think there are objective arguments to be made that Loomis is the worst GM. Specifically I would make my arguments in terms of the present state of the team. We ran off a HOF coach. We went out of our way to hand pick a replacement who came in with a sub-.250 winning percentage. We spent arguably the most resources of any team in 2022: spending all our 2022 cap, allocating the most most above the 2023 cap of any team, and trading our 1st round draft pick. What all those resources got us was 7-10 in the worst division in the NFL despite surprisingly good QB play from our backup QB compared to other teams, when we went into the season knowing our starting QB was coming off an injury and had a historically inconsistent career. So, did we win 4 more games than the Chicago Bears? Sure. But in a weaker division, and to do it we had to trade our 1st round and max out our cap. So I would say that in terms of the position he has put our team in now Loomis, is the worst GM in the league. I think that's as objective an argument as any.

Some people don't think the cap matters. They think its a thing of the past and Loomis is the wave of the future. But I am not crazy to disagree. Two of the last 3 Super Bowl winners are actively rebuilding this offseason to get more cap room: the Rams and Bucs. Its fairly clear if you look at their moves. So other GMs with much more recent success than Loomis agree.

Oh, and he tried very hard to get Deshaun Watson 12 months ago, which I think most people agree would have been a disaster. I think a lot of people would say that finishing top-3 in the Watson sweepstakes puts a GM in the bottom-tier conversation.

I am not saying Loomis over his career is the worst GM. I am saying Loomis now. Because he has put our team in a horrible position, and because he has no plan to rebuild only to hope for 9-8 if there are no injuries at all. Al Davis was perhaps the best GM in league history his first 15-20 years on the job. And he was perhaps the worst GM in league history the last 15-20 years. Skill declines. My view is that Loomis has declined. Feel free to have your own, or to do hand stands on a pony with AG.

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