Derek Carr is going to shock the world

Rugby Saint II · 04-04-2023, 01:16 PM

Last year was a huge disappointment for Saint fans. This year watch us sneak up on the NFL. We've got better weapons than in recent years and we are going to shock a whole lot of people.

iceshack149 · 04-04-2023, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Last year was a huge disappointment for Saint fans. This year watch us sneak up on the NFL. We've got better weapons than in recent years and we are going to shock a whole lot of people.

I always get my hopes up this time of year. I've got to keep my expectations low... it's for my health.

Rugby Saint II · 04-04-2023, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I always get my hopes up this time of year. I've got to keep my expectations low... it's for my health.

I know what you mean about low expectations. The last couple of years my hopes have been high and I suffered the whole year watching my Saints struggle. On the bright side, at least I didn't bet on them to win the Super bowl.

This year just feels different than the last couple of disappointing seasons. I feel enthusiastic about the off season moves and I'm anticipating another strong draft. Maybe it's my youthful expectations. I'm only 64 and was born an optimist. Give me good play calling and good health. This team can stand toe to toe with anyone and win curb stomp them after we win. jk

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2023, 08:28 AM

Rugby Saint II · 04-06-2023, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...86324175314945

Shaheed was nervous about the QB situation. Most fans were too. I know I was praying for a miracle. We've got Carr now and the team looks motivated to get behind him. Let's go win the south.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-06-2023, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Last year was a huge disappointment for Saint fans. This year watch us sneak up on the NFL. We've got better weapons than in recent years and we are going to shock a whole lot of people.

All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 04-06-2023, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row.

SFIAH

Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2023, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth.

Rugby Saint II · 04-07-2023, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth.

I beg to differ. Veteran mid-level free agents are cheap, but they aren't usually dynamic. Sure, you need an influx of free agents like DeMario Davis to round out the roster. With the limited salary cap available because of our cap management, I would rather get younger and cheaper players with higher ceilings who were drafted to fit the system.

The Saints have had good drafts because they trade up for players who they covet and give away valuable first, second, third, and fourth round draft picks to move up for them. Jeff Ireland is good at drafting both starters and role players and needs more ammo to work with in the mid rounds where the odds are better.

The flip side is that they team doesn't have the players to develop in each draft except for premier talent and UDFA's. The result is fewer 2nd day picks to fill out the roster and very little depth. The FO wants to fill out the rosters with other teams' cuts and cast offs that might fit the system rather than being able to select players from their board on draft days.

The third and fourth round are extremely important and the ability to find starters in each round is where Jeff Ireland prospers and yet we give those picks away every year. I'm fine with trading away late round picks to move up to the mid rounds for players that are still available. It's the same draft strategy the Loomis has always followed. So, why give away those draft picks moving up when we draft so well in the mid rounds?

AsylumGuido · 04-07-2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I beg to differ. Veteran mid-level free agents are cheap, but they aren't usually dynamic. Sure, you need an influx of free agents like DeMario Davis to round out the roster. With the limited salary cap available because of our cap management, I would rather get younger and cheaper players with higher ceilings who were drafted to fit the system.

The Saints have had good drafts because they trade up for players who they covet and give away valuable first, second, third, and fourth round draft picks to move up for them. Jeff Ireland is good at drafting both starters and role players and needs more ammo to work with in the mid rounds where the odds are better.

The flip side is that they team doesn't have the players to develop in each draft except for premier talent and UDFA's. The result is fewer 2nd day picks to fill out the roster and very little depth. The FO wants to fill out the rosters with other teams' cuts and cast offs that might fit the system rather than being able to select players from their board on draft days.

The third and fourth round are extremely important and the ability to find starters in each round is where Jeff Ireland prospers and yet we give those picks away every year. I'm fine with trading away late round picks to move up to the mid rounds for players that are still available. It's the same draft strategy the Loomis has always followed. So, why give away those draft picks moving up when we draft so well in the mid rounds?

That's basically what I'm saying, Rugs. There's little difference between what you can hope to find in the 6-7 rounds and in vet or rookie free agency as far as depth. Turn those late rounders into mid-rounders. Maybe use one of those newly gained mid-rounders to move up a bit to get what you covet in the higher rounds.

Speaking of rounds ...

04-04-2023, 01:16 PM	#1
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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,429 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Last year was a huge disappointment for Saint fans. This year watch us sneak up on the NFL. We've got better weapons than in recent years and we are going to shock a whole lot of people. I always get my hopes up this time of year. I've got to keep my expectations low... it's for my health. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-04-2023, 02:11 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by iceshack149 I always get my hopes up this time of year. I've got to keep my expectations low... it's for my health. I know what you mean about low expectations. The last couple of years my hopes have been high and I suffered the whole year watching my Saints struggle. On the bright side, at least I didn't bet on them to win the Super bowl. This year just feels different than the last couple of disappointing seasons. I feel enthusiastic about the off season moves and I'm anticipating another strong draft. Maybe it's my youthful expectations. I'm only 64 and was born an optimist. Give me good play calling and good health. This team can stand toe to toe with anyone and win curb stomp them after we win. jk WW_Who_Dat likes this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...86324175314945 Shaheed was nervous about the QB situation. Most fans were too. I know I was praying for a miracle. We've got Carr now and the team looks motivated to get behind him. Let's go win the south. iceshack149 and WW_Who_Dat like this.

04-06-2023, 11:46 AM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,785	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Last year was a huge disappointment for Saint fans. This year watch us sneak up on the NFL. We've got better weapons than in recent years and we are going to shock a whole lot of people. All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row. SFIAH jnormand, saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

04-06-2023, 12:13 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row. SFIAH Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run. jnormand, saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.

04-06-2023, 01:18 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,703	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run. Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth.

04-07-2023, 01:58 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth. I beg to differ. Veteran mid-level free agents are cheap, but they aren't usually dynamic. Sure, you need an influx of free agents like DeMario Davis to round out the roster. With the limited salary cap available because of our cap management, I would rather get younger and cheaper players with higher ceilings who were drafted to fit the system. The Saints have had good drafts because they trade up for players who they covet and give away valuable first, second, third, and fourth round draft picks to move up for them. Jeff Ireland is good at drafting both starters and role players and needs more ammo to work with in the mid rounds where the odds are better. The flip side is that they team doesn't have the players to develop in each draft except for premier talent and UDFA's. The result is fewer 2nd day picks to fill out the roster and very little depth. The FO wants to fill out the rosters with other teams' cuts and cast offs that might fit the system rather than being able to select players from their board on draft days. The third and fourth round are extremely important and the ability to find starters in each round is where Jeff Ireland prospers and yet we give those picks away every year. I'm fine with trading away late round picks to move up to the mid rounds for players that are still available. It's the same draft strategy the Loomis has always followed. So, why give away those draft picks moving up when we draft so well in the mid rounds? AsylumGuido likes this.
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04-07-2023, 03:22 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,703	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I beg to differ. Veteran mid-level free agents are cheap, but they aren't usually dynamic. Sure, you need an influx of free agents like DeMario Davis to round out the roster. With the limited salary cap available because of our cap management, I would rather get younger and cheaper players with higher ceilings who were drafted to fit the system. The Saints have had good drafts because they trade up for players who they covet and give away valuable first, second, third, and fourth round draft picks to move up for them. Jeff Ireland is good at drafting both starters and role players and needs more ammo to work with in the mid rounds where the odds are better. The flip side is that they team doesn't have the players to develop in each draft except for premier talent and UDFA's. The result is fewer 2nd day picks to fill out the roster and very little depth. The FO wants to fill out the rosters with other teams' cuts and cast offs that might fit the system rather than being able to select players from their board on draft days. The third and fourth round are extremely important and the ability to find starters in each round is where Jeff Ireland prospers and yet we give those picks away every year. I'm fine with trading away late round picks to move up to the mid rounds for players that are still available. It's the same draft strategy the Loomis has always followed. So, why give away those draft picks moving up when we draft so well in the mid rounds? That's basically what I'm saying, Rugs. There's little difference between what you can hope to find in the 6-7 rounds and in vet or rookie free agency as far as depth. Turn those late rounders into mid-rounders. Maybe use one of those newly gained mid-rounders to move up a bit to get what you covet in the higher rounds. Speaking of rounds ... Rugby Saint II likes this.