Grade our draft

Crusader · 05-01-2023, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

A+ I can’t remember a draft I felt better about! We filled all the holes with solid picks. I think we might have Colston light with Perry and our O/D lines will be much improved! Haener could be the next Brees! I really like the competition they picked up for our kicker and punter!

I feel the same thing brother! I love that we picked linemen on both sides of the ball.
The Dt seems to have high ceiling. If he is healthy he will probably play a lot. The DE has a good chance of getting a lot of time in the rotation.

I am quite excited about our OL pick. He might be slotted at guard but getting a guy that can do it all is great, versatility just keeps getting more and more important.

And the most important thing for me, all of the picks seems like good people, high character and so on.

leilung · 04-30-2023, 11:42 AM

BTW, I'm a C+ guy. I really was scratching my head when they let Nolan Smith slide...

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2023, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

BTW, I'm a C+ guy. I really was scratching my head when they let Nolan Smith slide...

Nolan Smith didn't fit our scheme at all. He probably wasn't even on our board. From what I gather he's basically a 3-4 outside backer. See Baun and Kikaha for comparison. Both of them were square pegs just as Smith would have been. We run a 4-2-5 probably 75% of the time. He simply wouldn't have had a spot.

K Major · 04-30-2023, 01:01 PM

Time will tell but what I do know is that MOST (if not all) of our 2023 draft picks were either team leaders or a team CAPTAINS in college.

For me, that matters a lot.

If we get 3, maybe 4 quality starters that’s a huge draft win.

Can’t wait for camp ⚜️

Pete · 04-30-2023, 03:47 PM

F for FN Outstanding! Lol

The highlight reels look good to me.

Yeah but does it transition..

Time will tell..

Hopefully Mr. Hurts and that RB in dirtybird city don't find their groove until yr. 4

I'm good with what they did in attempting to address need before projects.

Hopefully Brees Jr @ QB turns out to a great student.

hitta · 04-30-2023, 04:32 PM

The guy I liked quite a bit from this draft is Perry. Probably my favorite pick of ours. Amazing talent and athleticism for a 6th rounder with long arms and good hands that can pluck the ball out of the air. He'll be a great red zone target and really fits with Carr's style of QB play.

Rugby Saint II · 04-30-2023, 09:45 PM

I can absolutely see the role envisioned for each and every one of the new UDFA's we brought in to fill out the roster. If our coaches can coach up the Saints young role le players we brought in then we might be set up to shock the NFL again. They nailed positions of need in this draft.

MatthewT · 05-01-2023, 07:52 AM

As far as drafting quality players and players of need, cannot really say anything negative about this draft. With that said, can make a pretty good case that maybe some of the picks were reaches, of course if they pan out who cares. One thing I do like is the Saints did not pull the trigger early in the draft for a QB, to me that shows they are really on board with Derek Carr and will give him every opportunity he needs to be successful.

AsylumGuido · 05-01-2023, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

As far as drafting quality players and players of need, cannot really say anything negative about this draft. With that said, can make a pretty good case that maybe some of the picks were reaches, of course if they pan out who cares. One thing I do like is the Saints did not pull the trigger early in the draft for a QB, to me that shows they are really on board with Derek Carr and will give him every opportunity he needs to be successful.

I'm curious, Matthew, how do you define a "reach"? I hear this term a lot. Does a "reach" have to have a negative connotation? If you see something you really want and are fearful of it not being there when you get to its location you "reach" out and grab it. The Saints are known to identify players that they want and are not afraid or too skittish to go get them in the draft. Both Loomis and Harley have said this verbatim several times. "When we see someone we want, we go get them."

In every case that the Saints moved up in this draft there was a very real likelihood that the player they drafted would not have been there when their next slot arose.

Recently there was posted here a study that showed the Saints had the highest success rate (players still in the league) from the first half of the draft since, I believe, 2009 of all teams in the league. This has to be related to their willingness to go and get the players they want instead of waiting to select from what is left. In other words, to reach out and get what they want.

I actually gave the Saints an "A" because they did "reach" out and get the players that they wanted and felt would fill a vital need.

MatthewT · 05-01-2023, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm curious, Matthew, how do you define a "reach"? I hear this term a lot. Does a "reach" have to have a negative connotation? If you see something you really want and are fearful of it not being there when you get to its location you "reach" out and grab it. The Saints are known to identify players that they want and are not afraid or too skittish to go get them in the draft. Both Loomis and Harley have said this verbatim several times. "When we see someone we want, we go get them."

In every case that the Saints moved up in this draft there was a very real likelihood that the player they drafted would not have been there when their next slot arose.

Recently there was posted here a study that showed the Saints had the highest success rate (players still in the league) from the first half of the draft since, I believe, 2009 of all teams in the league. This has to be related to their willingness to go and get the players they want instead of waiting to select from what is left. In other words, to reach out and get what they want.

I actually gave the Saints an "A" because they did "reach" out and get the players that they wanted and felt would fill a vital need.

Reach is generally a negative term, but it doesn't always need to be. In the Saints case, a few guys were taken earlier than expected per published scouting reports and draft projections. With the Saints having very specific area's that needed to be addressed, some slight reaches were expected. This always going to be an issue when a team has to draft for need instead of best player available, which is where the Saints are at right now.

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05-01-2023, 01:19 PM	#1
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,045	Re: Grade our draft Originally Posted by CheramieIII A+ I can’t remember a draft I felt better about! We filled all the holes with solid picks. I think we might have Colston light with Perry and our O/D lines will be much improved! Haener could be the next Brees! I really like the competition they picked up for our kicker and punter! I feel the same thing brother! I love that we picked linemen on both sides of the ball. The Dt seems to have high ceiling. If he is healthy he will probably play a lot. The DE has a good chance of getting a lot of time in the rotation. I am quite excited about our OL pick. He might be slotted at guard but getting a guy that can do it all is great, versatility just keeps getting more and more important. And the most important thing for me, all of the picks seems like good people, high character and so on. iceshack149, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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04-30-2023, 11:42 AM	#2
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,426	Re: Grade our draft BTW, I'm a C+ guy. I really was scratching my head when they let Nolan Smith slide...

04-30-2023, 11:48 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Grade our draft Originally Posted by leilung BTW, I'm a C+ guy. I really was scratching my head when they let Nolan Smith slide... Nolan Smith didn't fit our scheme at all. He probably wasn't even on our board. From what I gather he's basically a 3-4 outside backer. See Baun and Kikaha for comparison. Both of them were square pegs just as Smith would have been. We run a 4-2-5 probably 75% of the time. He simply wouldn't have had a spot. Rugby Saint II and MarchingOn like this.

04-30-2023, 01:01 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Grade our draft Time will tell but what I do know is that MOST (if not all) of our 2023 draft picks were either team leaders or a team CAPTAINS in college. For me, that matters a lot. If we get 3, maybe 4 quality starters that’s a huge draft win. Can’t wait for camp ⚜️ Thirty3 likes this.

04-30-2023, 03:47 PM	#5
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Grade our draft F for FN Outstanding! Lol The highlight reels look good to me. Yeah but does it transition.. Time will tell.. Hopefully Mr. Hurts and that RB in dirtybird city don't find their groove until yr. 4 I'm good with what they did in attempting to address need before projects. Hopefully Brees Jr @ QB turns out to a great student. SmashMouth likes this.

04-30-2023, 04:32 PM	#6
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,339	Re: Grade our draft The guy I liked quite a bit from this draft is Perry. Probably my favorite pick of ours. Amazing talent and athleticism for a 6th rounder with long arms and good hands that can pluck the ball out of the air. He'll be a great red zone target and really fits with Carr's style of QB play. CheramieIII, Crusader and K Major like this.
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04-30-2023, 09:45 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Grade our draft I can absolutely see the role envisioned for each and every one of the new UDFA's we brought in to fill out the roster. If our coaches can coach up the Saints young role le players we brought in then we might be set up to shock the NFL again. They nailed positions of need in this draft. iceshack149 and AsylumGuido like this.

05-01-2023, 07:52 AM	#8
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Grade our draft As far as drafting quality players and players of need, cannot really say anything negative about this draft. With that said, can make a pretty good case that maybe some of the picks were reaches, of course if they pan out who cares. One thing I do like is the Saints did not pull the trigger early in the draft for a QB, to me that shows they are really on board with Derek Carr and will give him every opportunity he needs to be successful. AsylumGuido likes this.

05-01-2023, 08:42 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Grade our draft Originally Posted by MatthewT As far as drafting quality players and players of need, cannot really say anything negative about this draft. With that said, can make a pretty good case that maybe some of the picks were reaches, of course if they pan out who cares. One thing I do like is the Saints did not pull the trigger early in the draft for a QB, to me that shows they are really on board with Derek Carr and will give him every opportunity he needs to be successful. I'm curious, Matthew, how do you define a "reach"? I hear this term a lot. Does a "reach" have to have a negative connotation? If you see something you really want and are fearful of it not being there when you get to its location you "reach" out and grab it. The Saints are known to identify players that they want and are not afraid or too skittish to go get them in the draft. Both Loomis and Harley have said this verbatim several times. "When we see someone we want, we go get them." In every case that the Saints moved up in this draft there was a very real likelihood that the player they drafted would not have been there when their next slot arose. Recently there was posted here a study that showed the Saints had the highest success rate (players still in the league) from the first half of the draft since, I believe, 2009 of all teams in the league. This has to be related to their willingness to go and get the players they want instead of waiting to select from what is left. In other words, to reach out and get what they want. I actually gave the Saints an "A" because they did "reach" out and get the players that they wanted and felt would fill a vital need.
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05-01-2023, 12:42 PM	#10
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Grade our draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm curious, Matthew, how do you define a "reach"? I hear this term a lot. Does a "reach" have to have a negative connotation? If you see something you really want and are fearful of it not being there when you get to its location you "reach" out and grab it. The Saints are known to identify players that they want and are not afraid or too skittish to go get them in the draft. Both Loomis and Harley have said this verbatim several times. "When we see someone we want, we go get them." In every case that the Saints moved up in this draft there was a very real likelihood that the player they drafted would not have been there when their next slot arose. Recently there was posted here a study that showed the Saints had the highest success rate (players still in the league) from the first half of the draft since, I believe, 2009 of all teams in the league. This has to be related to their willingness to go and get the players they want instead of waiting to select from what is left. In other words, to reach out and get what they want. I actually gave the Saints an "A" because they did "reach" out and get the players that they wanted and felt would fill a vital need. Reach is generally a negative term, but it doesn't always need to be. In the Saints case, a few guys were taken earlier than expected per published scouting reports and draft projections. With the Saints having very specific area's that needed to be addressed, some slight reaches were expected. This always going to be an issue when a team has to draft for need instead of best player available, which is where the Saints are at right now. iceshack149, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.