Grade our draft

papz · 05-08-2023, 10:37 AM

But, in the scheme of things, all draft grading is meaningless. There's no way to judge until several years down the road. Your approach, while unique, is no less valid than any other.

Bingo.

Yet some moron thinks the draft grade was an "F".

K Major · 05-08-2023, 11:53 AM

Lol

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2023, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Possibly. Or possibly they viewed him as more than just a project and saw potential. It’s like you say…those guys have way more insight and knowledge than we do. Sometimes those deemed ‘projects’ turn out to be superstars in their first season. Happens all the time.
As I’ve said before, I still would’ve liked to give him a chance with us. I think he would’ve paired nicely with Juwan Johnson if it panned out.

If we hadn't been in such need for DT, DE, RB, and OL we possibly could have taken a flyer. But don't count out Taysom and Krull at TE to go with Juwan. Taysom could turn out to be one of the very best TE's in the league with the QB experiment now completely in the rearview mirror. I can't wait to see him get his 30+ snaps a game and see his impact. I believe we'll forget there ever were TE prospects out here in the draft.

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2023, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Bingo.

Oops. I'm sorry if you were the one that gave it an F, papz.

Boston Saint · 05-08-2023, 02:48 PM

It’s obviously a combination of things. I don’t dislike the players so much as positions; such as taking a QB in round 4. Going into this year we have depth at the QB spot. I feel a 4th rounder in LB or TE or other position wouldnhave been a wiser choice. Sort of the same thing about Saldiveri from Old Dominion. He may be a stud. But isn’t Penning and most of the Oline starting off healthy? So we got deeper at O line, but how deep are we at LB and TE? Not very since we lost Ellis and Trautman. We draft a Foskey with the second round pick. So we get depth behind Jordan and Turner but roll with only Hill, Johnson and Krull (Love that name!)? As pointed out, time will tell.

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2023, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It’s obviously a combination of things. I don’t dislike the players so much as positions; such as taking a QB in round 4. Going into this year we have depth at the QB spot. I feel a 4th rounder in LB or TE or other position wouldnhave been a wiser choice. Sort of the same thing about Saldiveri from Old Dominion. He may be a stud. But isn’t Penning and most of the Oline starting off healthy? So we got deeper at O line, but how deep are we at LB and TE? Not very since we lost Ellis and Trautman. We draft a Foskey with the second round pick. So we get depth behind Jordan and Turner but roll with only Hill, Johnson and Krull (Love that name!)? As pointed out, time will tell.

Would you be more accepting of the positional decisions in the draft if those other positions are addressed via veteran free agency? I hope some of the four remaining open slots eases your concerns.

Right now we have a pretty full contingent of 10 LB's to compete for the limited final few spots. They include D'Marco Jackson, a 2022 draftee that missed all of last season, getting to compete for the first time.

WLB	20	Werner, Pete 21/2	50	Dowell, Andrew SF19	43	Connelly, Ryan SF23	40	Anderson, Nick CF23
MLB	56	DAVIS, DEMARIO U/NYJ	52	Jackson, D'Marco 22/5	45	Sewell, Nephi CF22
SLB	53	Baun, Zack 20/3	58	Summers, Ty P/Jax	58	Orji, Anfernee CF23

I suppose we could pick up someone like Cameron Brate to add to the five TE's we already have on board right now.

TE

83

Johnson, Juwan CF20

7

HILL, TAYSOM W/GB

87

Krull, Lucas CF22

86

Forristall, Miller SF23

85

Wilson, Joel CF23

The cupboard isn't quite bare. I suppose that's why they were so willing to move Trautman when they did. But, like you said, time will tell. As for myself, my glass is overflowing in optimism as per usual.

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2023, 03:31 PM

A couple of notes, last season we carried six LB's on our 53 man roster for most of the season. Same thing in 2021. Given Allen runs the 4-2 front probably 80%, or more, of the snaps we'll probably see no more than that number again this season at LB.

As for TE, we carried four TE's last season including Taysom who still had QB duties on his platter, so we basically had three fulltime TE's. In 2021 we only had three TE's on the 53 man roster (Cook, Josh Hill, and Trautman) so that's a possibility again this year (Juwan, Taysom, Krull/free agent addition).

BakoSaint · 05-08-2023, 04:14 PM

I think the draft was a B. We addressed positions of need. I don't love the injury risk on the first pick but it is probably priced in to where he was drafted.

I think the QB pick was a mistake because his size probably limits his upside and I think we will continue to be overloaded at the QB position for years to come because our cap management dictates restructuring contracts annually to avoid the cap hit associated with parting ways, so I expect Carr, Winston, and Hill will all be on the Saints roster in 2026 if Loomis is still the GM. But this dumb move only costs us a 4th next year.

I am glad we did not draft a TE or RB in the 1st or early 2nd round. I don't think those are highly valuable positions. Both can be handled in the mid rounds. TE is so unpredictable. RB is so replaceable and really depends more on oline as long as you have a young mid round guy to run through the hole without needing extra ben gay to cross the line of scrimmage.

Dealing Troutman was addition by subtraction.

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2023, 04:30 PM

One extended note on Haener, as well. Winston is no doubt gone after this season, if not earlier via in season trade. Jake Luton, the only other true QB on the roster besides Carr, was quickly released when Haener was drafted. I believe they believe that they can develop Haener into a viable backup. They very well could have him on the cheap for four years backing up Carr. If that's the case then Haener could be seen as a steal in the 4th round. His intangibles really jump off the page. His ability to read defenses, move through progressions, quickly identify passing lanes, and accuracy are all things I have seen touted since we picked him up. He also had the second highest score on the S2 test at 96% with only Bryce Young scoring higher with a 98%. Comparisons to Drew Brees, while extremely lofty, must be noted, as well.

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2023, 05:07 PM

A note on Saldiveri. Both Trevor Penning and Cesar Ruiz are coming off season ending injuries. Both players just gained freedom from their walking boots this week. Fellow offensive linemen McCoy, Peat, and Ramczyk all missed time due to injuries last season. Both guards, Peat and Ruiz, will be entering the last year of their contracts this season. Saldiveri, with the ability to play all five positions, gives much needed depth and the potential to take over for either of the starting guards.

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05-08-2023, 10:37 AM	#61
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Grade our draft But, in the scheme of things, all draft grading is meaningless. There's no way to judge until several years down the road. Your approach, while unique, is no less valid than any other. Bingo. Yet some moron thinks the draft grade was an "F". iceshack149, K Major and Mr.Riaton like this.

05-08-2023, 11:53 AM	#62
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Grade our draft Lol

05-08-2023, 11:55 AM	#63
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Grade our draft Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Possibly. Or possibly they viewed him as more than just a project and saw potential. It’s like you say…those guys have way more insight and knowledge than we do. Sometimes those deemed ‘projects’ turn out to be superstars in their first season. Happens all the time. As I’ve said before, I still would’ve liked to give him a chance with us. I think he would’ve paired nicely with Juwan Johnson if it panned out. If we hadn't been in such need for DT, DE, RB, and OL we possibly could have taken a flyer. But don't count out Taysom and Krull at TE to go with Juwan. Taysom could turn out to be one of the very best TE's in the league with the QB experiment now completely in the rearview mirror. I can't wait to see him get his 30+ snaps a game and see his impact. I believe we'll forget there ever were TE prospects out here in the draft.

05-08-2023, 11:57 AM	#64
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Grade our draft Originally Posted by papz Bingo. Oops. I'm sorry if you were the one that gave it an F, papz.

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05-08-2023, 02:48 PM	#65
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Grade our draft It’s obviously a combination of things. I don’t dislike the players so much as positions; such as taking a QB in round 4. Going into this year we have depth at the QB spot. I feel a 4th rounder in LB or TE or other position wouldnhave been a wiser choice. Sort of the same thing about Saldiveri from Old Dominion. He may be a stud. But isn’t Penning and most of the Oline starting off healthy? So we got deeper at O line, but how deep are we at LB and TE? Not very since we lost Ellis and Trautman. We draft a Foskey with the second round pick. So we get depth behind Jordan and Turner but roll with only Hill, Johnson and Krull (Love that name!)? As pointed out, time will tell.
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05-08-2023, 03:31 PM	#67
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Grade our draft A couple of notes, last season we carried six LB's on our 53 man roster for most of the season. Same thing in 2021. Given Allen runs the 4-2 front probably 80%, or more, of the snaps we'll probably see no more than that number again this season at LB. As for TE, we carried four TE's last season including Taysom who still had QB duties on his platter, so we basically had three fulltime TE's. In 2021 we only had three TE's on the 53 man roster (Cook, Josh Hill, and Trautman) so that's a possibility again this year (Juwan, Taysom, Krull/free agent addition).
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05-08-2023, 04:14 PM	#68
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Grade our draft I think the draft was a B. We addressed positions of need. I don't love the injury risk on the first pick but it is probably priced in to where he was drafted. I think the QB pick was a mistake because his size probably limits his upside and I think we will continue to be overloaded at the QB position for years to come because our cap management dictates restructuring contracts annually to avoid the cap hit associated with parting ways, so I expect Carr, Winston, and Hill will all be on the Saints roster in 2026 if Loomis is still the GM. But this dumb move only costs us a 4th next year. I am glad we did not draft a TE or RB in the 1st or early 2nd round. I don't think those are highly valuable positions. Both can be handled in the mid rounds. TE is so unpredictable. RB is so replaceable and really depends more on oline as long as you have a young mid round guy to run through the hole without needing extra ben gay to cross the line of scrimmage. Dealing Troutman was addition by subtraction.
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05-08-2023, 04:30 PM	#69
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Grade our draft One extended note on Haener, as well. Winston is no doubt gone after this season, if not earlier via in season trade. Jake Luton, the only other true QB on the roster besides Carr, was quickly released when Haener was drafted. I believe they believe that they can develop Haener into a viable backup. They very well could have him on the cheap for four years backing up Carr. If that's the case then Haener could be seen as a steal in the 4th round. His intangibles really jump off the page. His ability to read defenses, move through progressions, quickly identify passing lanes, and accuracy are all things I have seen touted since we picked him up. He also had the second highest score on the S2 test at 96% with only Bryce Young scoring higher with a 98%. Comparisons to Drew Brees, while extremely lofty, must be noted, as well. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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05-08-2023, 05:07 PM	#70
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Grade our draft A note on Saldiveri. Both Trevor Penning and Cesar Ruiz are coming off season ending injuries. Both players just gained freedom from their walking boots this week. Fellow offensive linemen McCoy, Peat, and Ramczyk all missed time due to injuries last season. Both guards, Peat and Ruiz, will be entering the last year of their contracts this season. Saldiveri, with the ability to play all five positions, gives much needed depth and the potential to take over for either of the starting guards.