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Grade our draft

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Great interview here with Ireland where he breaks down all of the drafted players and give some of their thinking. Twitter...

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Old 05-07-2023, 09:09 AM   #51
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Great interview here with Ireland where he breaks down all of the drafted players and give some of their thinking.

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Old 05-07-2023, 11:40 AM   #52
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Highlites from the article above...
Regarding Bresee:
Certainly, yeah. Look, we would say that he could play really across the board, and that's how they played him at Clemson. He played a four technique, he played a five technique, he played three (technique), he played nose. And I think he probably best fits as a three technique, but that's going to be up to our coaches. Our coaches may play him at five or four or even the nose, and some sub-down stuff or into one technique. That's the beauty of Bryan Bresee is that he's got a ton of versatility. His athleticism can complement any position along the defensive line. He could play end if you wanted him to. He's got a really high skill set to be a sub-down defender, especially at his size. And we feel like that's important.
Regarding Foskey:
Well, the fact that he's over 6-5, and he's almost 275 pounds and he runs around a sub-4.64 or 4.65 40, yes. He's got really long arms. He's super smart. He's a team captain, and he's got production. He fits what we do and fits what we like. And I think he's going to be a really, really good player. I think his upside is going to be really good. I think he can rush the passer, he can play with his hands, he's really strong. He can play the run, he gets out of trouble really well, which is very important for defensive ends. He's got good instincts. He plays with a tremendous effort and a motor to chase out of the stack. So there's just a lot of things to like about Isaiah Foskey. No player is ever just immediately ready for the National Football League. He's as close to being ready as anybody because of just his character and his entire makeup and the way he's built, where he played, how he's been coached. I think he comes in and he gives us a lot of snaps this year.
Regarding Kendre Miller:
...we just felt like, man, this is too good to be true. We felt like he was going to slip and fall to around where we could take him (in the third round). It's crazy, you always trust your own feeling, you trust what you see. We knew he wasn't being mocked very high and then we kept watching him and we kept watching him. I'm like, fellas, trust your eyes, you're seeing it right. And you're crazy, you never second-guess yourself. But when you draft a player and immediately you get 26 text messages from colleagues in the league, some of them saying, "You son of a gun" or "He was the next guy (on our board). He was our third-best running back." He was the guy no one was talking about. He was kind of, maybe, a hidden secret (to the public). We didn't feel like that. No, we've always liked him. He wasn't a late bloomer for us. This was a guy we were on pretty early and loved the tape, and I think he's got a huge upside.
Regarding Saldiveri:
I love the competitive spirit that he has, like: Hey man, what do I have to be worried about? He had great confidence about him. And he's smart. He's tough. He's super competitive, extremely versatile. He's got flexibility, in terms of just his body flexibility and flexibility in terms of the positions that he was able to play. He can play guard, center and tackle. We like having those kind of guys that have big upsides. Don't let Old Dominion fool you. He comes from a good program, well-developed. So we're excited to have Nick and excited to see what he can do this first year.
Regarding Haener:
He does kind of remind you or there's some similarities to No. 9 (Drew Brees). He's undersized, the way he creates windows and processing speed, quick release, the accuracy. I mean there's only going to be one of those guys forever. You can't really compare him, and I'm always careful to use the comparison because he doesn't compare to Drew, he's the only one. But there are some similarities that make you feel like, OK, maybe he can play similarly to that person. And you thought, OK, well you got another short quarterback in the league, you got Bryce Young. He just got picked first in the draft. What if Jake's in that offense (at Alabama)? I just think, hypothetically, Jake would have success if he's at Alabama. So we tossed a lot of these things around, like the idea of having a young developmental quarterback learn a new system with Derek (Carr) and Jameis (Winston). So that's just a smart business move, in our opinion.
Regarding Howden:
He was a guy that had tremendous production. He didn't have just this outrageous number of interceptions, but he had a really high number of batted balls, PBUs (pass break-ups) and deflected passes — just kind of those ball-hawking plays — throughout his career. And I loved his height, weight, speed. He's a great kid. All the coaches there really liked him. He's athletic enough to play any of the positions (in the secondary) and tough enough and versatile enough to play any of those positions back there, strong or free (safety). And I can see him even kind of line up as a big nickel or nickel or dime.
Regarding Perry:
Like a lot of the rest of the guys, we liked his height, weight, speed, and that kind of jumps off the tape when you watch him. He is 6-3 and he's got these 33- to 34-inch-long arms, so he plays above the rim. He's got tremendous hands. He's got to clean up his consistency, catching the ball. But he does not have a catching problem. He just had a few concentration drops.
https://www.nola.com/sports/jeff-ire...ea80db09a.html

A lot of good quotes that have me eating the cheese.

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Old 05-07-2023, 12:19 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 View Post
Highlites from the article above...
Regarding Bresee:Regarding Foskey:Regarding Kendre Miller:Regarding Saldiveri:Regarding Haener: Regarding Howden: Regarding Perry: https://www.nola.com/sports/jeff-ire...ea80db09a.html

A lot of good quotes that has me eating the cheese.

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Yet some moron thinks the draft grade was an "F".
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Old 05-07-2023, 06:48 PM   #54
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Okay. Thanks. Like I said, I just couldn't see anything about him from what I saw or read the last couple of days that made him seem special in any way as compared to the top TE's. I was simply wondering what I was missing. It appears I wasn't missing anything, as you explained it is just believed by some here that he has the potential to be a good player. I wasn't trying to be contrary, I was honestly trying to understand the appeal. I guess the Saints just weren't interested in a project at TE at this time. Who knows, he may someday develop into a Gronk type player.
You’re welcome! I always try to help! I understand you can’t see anything about him special and I believe you were honestly trying to understand the appeal, but sometimes some people have trouble seeing other perspectives…it happens. It doesn’t make one any more right than the other and vice versa. I guess we’ll see in a few years if the Steelers choice paid off. Like I said, I still would’ve like to see him in a Saints uniform as I feel he has exciting potential
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Old 05-07-2023, 07:47 PM   #55
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D cause we didn’t get one of the stud TEs. Hope they prove me wrong!
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Old 05-08-2023, 08:03 AM   #56
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D cause we didn’t get one of the stud TEs. Hope they prove me wrong!
Wow! Pretty harsh grade. The lowest grade of anyone in the poll not named mapcow!

Where did you place our needs? Did you have TE before DT and DE?

I'm assuming the Saints didn't as much need at TE. At least not as much need as at DT and DE. The top three "stud" TE's were all off the board before pick #40. We're sitting at five TE's on the roster currently and still have four slots on the 90 man roster available to add another if need be.

I agree, it would have been a nice addition with one of the top three or four TE's, but I just saw the departures on the defensive line being more important to address with the picks we had available.

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You’re welcome! I always try to help! I understand you can’t see anything about him special and I believe you were honestly trying to understand the appeal, but sometimes some people have trouble seeing other perspectives…it happens. It doesn’t make one any more right than the other and vice versa. I guess we’ll see in a few years if the Steelers choice paid off. Like I said, I still would’ve like to see him in a Saints uniform as I feel he has exciting potential
I suppose the Steelers had less holes to fill than the Saints at other key positions and had the room for a TE project like Washington.
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Wow! Pretty harsh grade. The lowest grade of anyone in the poll not named mapcow!

Where did you place our needs? Did you have TE before DT and DE?

I'm assuming the Saints didn't as much need at TE. At least not as much need as at DT and DE. The top three "stud" TE's were all off the board before pick #40. We're sitting at five TE's on the roster currently and still have four slots on the 90 man roster available to add another if need be.

I agree, it would have been a nice addition with one of the top three or four TE's, but I just saw the departures on the defensive line being more important to address with the picks we had available.
It’s mostly me setting the bar low so I won’t be as disappointed if they suck. I like the Breese pick. Other than that nothing got me excited.
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It’s mostly me setting the bar low so I won’t be as disappointed if they suck. I like the Breese pick. Other than that nothing got me excited.
So your downgrade isn't so much about who they picked, but more so about who they didn't pick.

I'm glad you liked Bresee, but since the top three TE's went before our second pick, the only way we could have got one of them would have been to not select Bresee. Ireland said he got messaged by several other teams right after the Saints selected Bresee saying they were planning on taking him if the Saints hadn't.

But, in the scheme of things, all draft grading is meaningless. There's no way to judge until several years down the road. Your approach, while unique, is no less valid than any other.

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I suppose the Steelers had less holes to fill than the Saints at other key positions and had the room for a TE project like Washington.
Possibly. Or possibly they viewed him as more than just a project and saw potential. It’s like you say…those guys have way more insight and knowledge than we do. Sometimes those deemed ‘projects’ turn out to be superstars in their first season. Happens all the time.
As I’ve said before, I still would’ve liked to give him a chance with us. I think he would’ve paired nicely with Juwan Johnson if it panned out.
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