Trade kamara

AsylumGuido · 06-20-2023, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If we were to cut Kamara it would cost us more money than we save to part ways with him now. Then we would need to find another RB which would cost us even more money. I believe we need to hold on to him this season and then look at his contract next year when it's cheaper to trade or cut him. Personally, I hope he finishes out his contract with New Orleans while playing well.

AK could surprise some folks and have a good season when he returns from his suspension. If Carmichael feels good about the offense then he might be more aggressive and get the ball to AK in space with some clever play calling. Fingers crossed!

I've mentioned this before, but I believe you can tie Kamara's reduced production over the past couple of years directly to the massive number of injuries to the offensive line and QB's. That all had to have had a detrimental affect on both Carmichael's playcalling options and Kamara's output.

iceshack149 · 06-20-2023, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If we were to cut Kamara it would cost us more money than we save to part ways with him now. Then we would need to find another RB which would cost us even more money. I believe we need to hold on to him this season and then look at his contract next year when it's cheaper to trade or cut him. Personally, I hope he finishes out his contract with New Orleans while playing well.

AK could surprise some folks and have a good season when he returns from his suspension. If Carmichael feels good about the offense then he might be more aggressive and get the ball to AK in space with some clever play calling. Fingers crossed!

It wouldn't surprise me if Kamara had a great season. The guy is just different than most football players.

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These videos probably won't be available but they were good. REAL good!

There's a few issues, however and we all know what they are. Will this team stay healthy, will Kamara be used appropriately, and how many games will he miss due to legal issues?

SmashMouth · 06-20-2023, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I've mentioned this before, but I believe you can tie Kamara's reduced production over the past couple of years directly to the massive number of injuries to the offensive line and QB's. That all had to have had a detrimental affect on both Carmichael's playcalling options and Kamara's output.

Originally Posted by iceshack149

It wouldn't surprise me if Kamara had a great season. The guy is just different than most football players.
https://youtu.be/9REGAuSYCVg

https://youtu.be/iaoF-KR0HQM
These videos probably won't be available but they were good. REAL good!

There's a few issues, however and we all know what they are. Will this team stay healthy, will Kamara be used appropriately, and how many games will he miss due to legal issues?

Guess we'll see this year, won't we?

BakoSaint · 06-20-2023, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I've mentioned this before, but I believe you can tie Kamara's reduced production over the past couple of years directly to the massive number of injuries to the offensive line and QB's. That all had to have had a detrimental affect on both Carmichael's playcalling options and Kamara's output.

The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team.

Boston Saint · 06-20-2023, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team.

Do you really think that's fair though Bako? Penning is in his second year and was hampered by a stupid team induced injury injury so far. We don't know what he is going to bring to the table this season. Plus we drafted and signed new depth. I know it's your nature to criticize, but this is a reach even for you.

jnormand · 06-20-2023, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team.

Kamara is going to be made an example of by the league. Imo I think he’s gone at least 6 games, maybe more.

I wouldn’t be worried if AK can run behind that line. I’d be more concerned with the other RBs and if the line will hold for Carr. I think it will. But we need more depth.

MatthewT · 06-21-2023, 08:16 AM

The Saints o-line is fine for AK's running style. The problem with AK is those legs get banged up and it limits the explosiveness of a guy who's game is about balance, moves, and quickness.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2023, 09:37 AM

Do y'all know the main difference between the great offensive lines of the dominant Saints offenses of a decade or so ago and what we have today? Two years of unprecedented injuries and development retarded by a pandemic. Those earlier lines played virtually every snap of every game as a unit. Their supposed depth never saw the field beyond coming in as an extra eligible lineman. All five of our projected starters are 1st round selections. If they can stay on the field together there's no reason why they can't be one of the most elite lines in the league.

During the season we have traditionally kept eight offensive lineman on the 53 man roster over the years. You can easily see our depth charts as of the first day of every month going back to June of 2007 at Ourlads.com. Our potential depth this year is not really inferior to that of most any other year. Sure, we had Strief, but we also had Matt Tennant and Pat McQuistan the rest of the depth. I would argue that James Hurst, Billy Price, and the rookie Saldiveri are just as good as what we had back then.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2023, 03:17 PM

Rugby Saint II · 06-21-2023, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do y'all know the main difference between the great offensive lines of the dominant Saints offenses of a decade or so ago and what we have today? Two years of unprecedented injuries and development retarded by a pandemic. Those earlier lines played virtually every snap of every game as a unit. Their supposed depth never saw the field beyond coming in as an extra eligible lineman. All five of our projected starters are 1st round selections. If they can stay on the field together there's no reason why they can't be one of the most elite lines in the league.

Continuity is essential on the O-line. We keep forgetting that Covid hampered us...well, that and running from hurricanes.

During the season we have traditionally kept eight offensive lineman on the 53 man roster over the years. Our potential depth this year is not really inferior to that of most any other year. Sure, we had Strief, but we also had Matt Tennant and Pat McQuistan the rest of the depth. I would argue that James Hurst, Billy Price, and the rookie Saldiveri are just as good as what we had back then.

Penning knows the playbook and system now. When his foot is healed he should seamlessly be able to step into LT allowing Hurst to slide over to LG. That leaves Landon Young, Calvin Throckmorton, Andrus Peat, Lewis Kidd, Nick Saldiveri, Storm Norton, and Billy Price battling for the three or four back up spots.

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team.

If the players are a year older and they are healthy then I can live with that. Our mid round draft pick was the first player chosen when the run on O-linemen started. The fourth round has produced some really good O-linemen in the past.

06-20-2023, 11:35 AM	#41
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Trade kamara Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II If we were to cut Kamara it would cost us more money than we save to part ways with him now. Then we would need to find another RB which would cost us even more money. I believe we need to hold on to him this season and then look at his contract next year when it's cheaper to trade or cut him. Personally, I hope he finishes out his contract with New Orleans while playing well. AK could surprise some folks and have a good season when he returns from his suspension. If Carmichael feels good about the offense then he might be more aggressive and get the ball to AK in space with some clever play calling. Fingers crossed! I've mentioned this before, but I believe you can tie Kamara's reduced production over the past couple of years directly to the massive number of injuries to the offensive line and QB's. That all had to have had a detrimental affect on both Carmichael's playcalling options and Kamara's output. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Trade kamara Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I've mentioned this before, but I believe you can tie Kamara's reduced production over the past couple of years directly to the massive number of injuries to the offensive line and QB's. That all had to have had a detrimental affect on both Carmichael's playcalling options and Kamara's output. Originally Posted by iceshack149 It wouldn't surprise me if Kamara had a great season. The guy is just different than most football players. https://youtu.be/9REGAuSYCVg https://youtu.be/iaoF-KR0HQM These videos probably won't be available but they were good. REAL good! There's a few issues, however and we all know what they are. Will this team stay healthy, will Kamara be used appropriately, and how many games will he miss due to legal issues? Guess we'll see this year, won't we?

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Trade kamara Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I've mentioned this before, but I believe you can tie Kamara's reduced production over the past couple of years directly to the massive number of injuries to the offensive line and QB's. That all had to have had a detrimental affect on both Carmichael's playcalling options and Kamara's output. The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team. SmashMouth likes this.
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Trade kamara Originally Posted by BakoSaint The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team. Do you really think that's fair though Bako? Penning is in his second year and was hampered by a stupid team induced injury injury so far. We don't know what he is going to bring to the table this season. Plus we drafted and signed new depth. I know it's your nature to criticize, but this is a reach even for you. jnormand, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: Trade kamara Originally Posted by BakoSaint The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team. Kamara is going to be made an example of by the league. Imo I think he’s gone at least 6 games, maybe more. I wouldn’t be worried if AK can run behind that line. I’d be more concerned with the other RBs and if the line will hold for Carr. I think it will. But we need more depth. MatthewT likes this.

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MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Trade kamara The Saints o-line is fine for AK's running style. The problem with AK is those legs get banged up and it limits the explosiveness of a guy who's game is about balance, moves, and quickness. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Trade kamara Do y'all know the *main* difference between the great offensive lines of the dominant Saints offenses of a decade or so ago and what we have today? Two years of unprecedented injuries and development retarded by a pandemic. Those earlier lines played virtually every snap of every game as a unit. Their supposed depth never saw the field beyond coming in as an extra eligible lineman. All five of our projected starters are 1st round selections. If they can stay on the field together there's no reason why they can't be one of the most elite lines in the league. During the season we have traditionally kept eight offensive lineman on the 53 man roster over the years. You can easily see our depth charts as of the first day of every month going back to June of 2007 at Ourlads.com. Our potential depth this year is not really inferior to that of most any other year. Sure, we had Strief, but we also had Matt Tennant and Pat McQuistan the rest of the depth. I would argue that James Hurst, Billy Price, and the rookie Saldiveri are just as good as what we had back then.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Trade kamara Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do y'all know the *main* difference between the great offensive lines of the dominant Saints offenses of a decade or so ago and what we have today? Two years of unprecedented injuries and development retarded by a pandemic. Those earlier lines played virtually every snap of every game as a unit. Their supposed depth never saw the field beyond coming in as an extra eligible lineman. All five of our projected starters are 1st round selections. If they can stay on the field together there's no reason why they can't be one of the most elite lines in the league. Continuity is essential on the O-line. We keep forgetting that Covid hampered us...well, that and running from hurricanes. During the season we have traditionally kept eight offensive lineman on the 53 man roster over the years. Our potential depth this year is not really inferior to that of most any other year. Sure, we had Strief, but we also had Matt Tennant and Pat McQuistan the rest of the depth. I would argue that James Hurst, Billy Price, and the rookie Saldiveri are just as good as what we had back then. Penning knows the playbook and system now. When his foot is healed he should seamlessly be able to step into LT allowing Hurst to slide over to LG. That leaves Landon Young, Calvin Throckmorton, Andrus Peat, Lewis Kidd, Nick Saldiveri, Storm Norton, and Billy Price battling for the three or four back up spots. Originally Posted by BakoSaint The trouble is we go into 2023 with basically the same oline but a year older. We added some mid round pick and a journeyman 1st round bust but we did not proritize the position. Kamara still depends on Peat, and unfortunately for him the Saints are not a hot dog eating contest team. If the players are a year older and they are healthy then I can live with that. Our mid round draft pick was the first player chosen when the run on O-linemen started. The fourth round has produced some really good O-linemen in the past.
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