2023 New Orleans Saints: Training Camp

AsylumGuido · 08-31-2023, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It’s hard to believe that pre-draft he was labeled as injury liability because he had a post-op infection.

Yup. It just goes to show how ill informed many people can be. They believe whatever they read be it factual or not and then, in turn, share it as fact.

AsylumGuido · 08-31-2023, 05:01 PM

BakoSaint · 08-31-2023, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It’s hard to believe that pre-draft he was labeled as injury liability because he had a post-op infection.

Are you saying its hard to believe Bresee was labeled as an injury liability? I am encouraged by his play in the preseason but he missed a lot of games in college, realistically teams are going to factor that in. Presumably he was labeled an injury liability because of the injury that required the operation, but as we have seen with players like LeCharles Bentley and Alex Smith, post-op infections are not a plus. Hopefully we got a great player after the injury discount but there is a reason there was an injury discount. We did take a risk.

Boston Saint · 08-31-2023, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Are you saying its hard to believe Bresee was labeled as an injury liability? I am encouraged by his play in the preseason but he missed a lot of games in college, realistically teams are going to factor that in. Presumably he was labeled an injury liability because of the injury that required the operation, but as we have seen with players like LeCharles Bentley and Alex Smith, post-op infections are not a plus. Hopefully we got a great player after the injury discount but there is a reason there was an injury discount. We did take a risk.

Yes. Missing time for a kidney infection is not related to one’s proclivity to being injured IMO. I think he fell farther in the draft than he should have. I’ve seen some reviews saying he should have been a top 10 pick.

BakoSaint · 08-31-2023, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yes. Missing time for a kidney infection is not related to one’s proclivity to being injured IMO. I think he fell farther in the draft than he should have. I’ve seen some reviews saying he should have been a top 10 pick.

I think when you make a top 10 pick you want a lot of tape showing you what a player can do. It's not that the kidney infection will reoccur, its that the kidney infection prevented him from being able to play and make those tapes. He looked good in high school and as a freshman, but you wanted to see how he would develop. Then he had injuries and you wanted to see how he could bounce back. Then he had a kidney infection and a death in the family and you never got to see. To me, its a lack of data that makes it hard to draft him earlier than he was. Similar problem to another lack of data taking Marcus Davenport from a small school and not knowing how he would adjust to the big leagues. But at least we didnt trade up for Bresee, and if the player who fell to us is good, great.

Boston Saint · 09-01-2023, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I think when you make a top 10 pick you want a lot of tape showing you what a player can do. It's not that the kidney infection will reoccur, its that the kidney infection prevented him from being able to play and make those tapes. He looked good in high school and as a freshman, but you wanted to see how he would develop. Then he had injuries and you wanted to see how he could bounce back. Then he had a kidney infection and a death in the family and you never got to see. To me, its a lack of data that makes it hard to draft him earlier than he was. Similar problem to another lack of data taking Marcus Davenport from a small school and not knowing how he would adjust to the big leagues. But at least we didnt trade up for Bresee, and if the player who fell to us is good, great.

I think it was more a question of his health ability. Here is a link indicating 2 sources had him going as high as 6:

https://clemsonwire.usatoday.com/lis...l-mock-drafts/

Richardson went 4 with less tape on him than Bresse had. Could be me but I seem to remember the buzz on him was “talented but injury prone” as opposed to “athletic but raw” like Davenport was.

SmashMouth · 09-01-2023, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I think when you make a top 10 pick you want a lot of tape showing you what a player can do. It's not that the kidney infection will reoccur, its that the kidney infection prevented him from being able to play and make those tapes. He looked good in high school and as a freshman, but you wanted to see how he would develop. Then he had injuries and you wanted to see how he could bounce back. Then he had a kidney infection and a death in the family and you never got to see. To me, its a lack of data that makes it hard to draft him earlier than he was. Similar problem to another lack of data taking Marcus Davenport from a small school and not knowing how he would adjust to the big leagues. But at least we didnt trade up for Bresee, and if the player who fell to us is good, great.

We get to see him in live bullets soon and see for ourselves if his performance in the last preseason game was the beginning on an exciting career.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Training Camp Originally Posted by Boston Saint It’s hard to believe that pre-draft he was labeled as injury liability because he had a post-op infection. Are you saying its hard to believe Bresee was labeled as an injury liability? I am encouraged by his play in the preseason but he missed a lot of games in college, realistically teams are going to factor that in. Presumably he was labeled an injury liability because of the injury that required the operation, but as we have seen with players like LeCharles Bentley and Alex Smith, post-op infections are not a plus. Hopefully we got a great player after the injury discount but there is a reason there was an injury discount. We did take a risk.
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Training Camp Originally Posted by BakoSaint Are you saying its hard to believe Bresee was labeled as an injury liability? I am encouraged by his play in the preseason but he missed a lot of games in college, realistically teams are going to factor that in. Presumably he was labeled an injury liability because of the injury that required the operation, but as we have seen with players like LeCharles Bentley and Alex Smith, post-op infections are not a plus. Hopefully we got a great player after the injury discount but there is a reason there was an injury discount. We did take a risk. Yes. Missing time for a kidney infection is not related to one’s proclivity to being injured IMO. I think he fell farther in the draft than he should have. I’ve seen some reviews saying he should have been a top 10 pick. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Training Camp Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yes. Missing time for a kidney infection is not related to one’s proclivity to being injured IMO. I think he fell farther in the draft than he should have. I’ve seen some reviews saying he should have been a top 10 pick. I think when you make a top 10 pick you want a lot of tape showing you what a player can do. It's not that the kidney infection will reoccur, its that the kidney infection prevented him from being able to play and make those tapes. He looked good in high school and as a freshman, but you wanted to see how he would develop. Then he had injuries and you wanted to see how he could bounce back. Then he had a kidney infection and a death in the family and you never got to see. To me, its a lack of data that makes it hard to draft him earlier than he was. Similar problem to another lack of data taking Marcus Davenport from a small school and not knowing how he would adjust to the big leagues. But at least we didnt trade up for Bresee, and if the player who fell to us is good, great. SmashMouth likes this.
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Training Camp Originally Posted by BakoSaint I think when you make a top 10 pick you want a lot of tape showing you what a player can do. It's not that the kidney infection will reoccur, its that the kidney infection prevented him from being able to play and make those tapes. He looked good in high school and as a freshman, but you wanted to see how he would develop. Then he had injuries and you wanted to see how he could bounce back. Then he had a kidney infection and a death in the family and you never got to see. To me, its a lack of data that makes it hard to draft him earlier than he was. Similar problem to another lack of data taking Marcus Davenport from a small school and not knowing how he would adjust to the big leagues. But at least we didnt trade up for Bresee, and if the player who fell to us is good, great. I think it was more a question of his health ability. Here is a link indicating 2 sources had him going as high as 6: https://clemsonwire.usatoday.com/lis...l-mock-drafts/ Richardson went 4 with less tape on him than Bresse had. Could be me but I seem to remember the buzz on him was “talented but injury prone” as opposed to “athletic but raw” like Davenport was. SmashMouth likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Training Camp Originally Posted by BakoSaint I think when you make a top 10 pick you want a lot of tape showing you what a player can do. It's not that the kidney infection will reoccur, its that the kidney infection prevented him from being able to play and make those tapes. He looked good in high school and as a freshman, but you wanted to see how he would develop. Then he had injuries and you wanted to see how he could bounce back. Then he had a kidney infection and a death in the family and you never got to see. To me, its a lack of data that makes it hard to draft him earlier than he was. Similar problem to another lack of data taking Marcus Davenport from a small school and not knowing how he would adjust to the big leagues. But at least we didnt trade up for Bresee, and if the player who fell to us is good, great. We get to see him in live bullets soon and see for ourselves if his performance in the last preseason game was the beginning on an exciting career. Rugby Saint II likes this.