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AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 12:32 PM

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I like all three.

I think what they saw in Jackson alone made Elliss expendable. Before this past season Elliss had been seen by many around here and elsewhere as a bit of a bust. He stepped into Werner's role and looked pretty decent. There's really no reason why Jackson, Anderson, or Orji couldn't do the same, if needed, and for a lot less money than Elliss got on the free agent market. I'm also curious to see how Elliss responds to moving from Dennis Allen's 4-2 front to Atlanta's 3-4. The same can be said for Onyemata taking over as NT in that same 3-4.

AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 12:36 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 12:49 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 01:18 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 01:19 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 01:20 PM

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Rugby Saint II 08-06-2023 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 976728)
I think what they saw in Jackson alone made Elliss expendable. Before this past season Elliss had been seen by many around here and elsewhere as a bit of a bust. He stepped into Werner's role and looked pretty decent. There's really no reason why Jackson, Anderson, or Orji couldn't do the same, if needed, and for a lot less money than Elliss got on the free agent market. I'm also curious to see how Elliss responds to moving from Dennis Allen's 4-2 front to Atlanta's 3-4. The same can be said for Onyemata taking over as NT in that same 3-4.

We think we know but we don't know what the insiders know. We have typically drafted well under Ireland in the middle to late rounds, where you find players who slipped down, and have good position coaches. I strongly believe that we need to develop these young players rather than rushing them off the roster for a vet who has already reached his ceiling. Unlike DD, who came into his own in and blossomed in New Orleans.

BTW. Is Onyamata built to play DT in a 3-4? I thought you needed a space eater there.

AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 976736)
We think we know but we don't know what the insiders know. We have typically drafted well under Ireland in the middle to late rounds, where you find players who slipped down, and have good position coaches. I strongly believe that we need to develop these young players rather than rushing them off the roster for a vet who has already reached his ceiling. Unlike DD, who came into his own in and blossomed in New Orleans.

BTW. Is Onyamata built to play DT in a 3-4? I thought you needed a space eater there.

He and Ellis may both be square pegs in the Failclown's round bung hole.

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rezburna 08-06-2023 02:52 PM

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We think we know but we don't know what the insiders know. We have typically drafted well under Ireland in the middle to late rounds, where you find players who slipped down, and have good position coaches. I strongly believe that we need to develop these young players rather than rushing them off the roster for a vet who has already reached his ceiling. Unlike DD, who came into his own in and blossomed in New Orleans.

BTW. Is Onyamata built to play DT in a 3-4? I thought you needed a space eater there.

Nah. He’s more of a 3-4 DE.

AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 02:54 PM

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Nah. He’s more of a 3-4 DE.

Yeah. They have Calais Campbell plugged in there. They're running Onyemata at NT from what I'm seeing. And they have Grady Jarrett at DT.

AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 02:55 PM

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rezburna 08-06-2023 04:12 PM

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Yeah. They have Calais Campbell plugged in there. They're running Onyemata at NT from what I'm seeing. And they have Grady Jarrett at DT.

That’s a solid line if Calais still has juice.

AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 04:47 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 04:52 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-06-2023 04:54 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-07-2023 08:19 AM

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SmashMouth 08-07-2023 08:24 AM

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WR 5 and 6 are very likely AT Perry and maybe James Washington. And they'll have to be special teams demons. The rest will ride the practice squad, like Shaquan Davis.

K Major 08-07-2023 09:28 AM

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Devin White still looking for a trade.

Bump ...

Anthony Barr is set to visit the Saints as well.

He's no Devin White however Barr is an upgrade over Zach Baun.

SmashMouth 08-07-2023 10:06 AM

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Bump ...

Anthony Barr is set to visit the Saints as well.

He's no Devin White however Barr is an upgrade over Zach Baun.

Maybe... still need to see the young kids we do have play.

SmashMouth 08-07-2023 10:13 AM

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SmashMouth 08-07-2023 10:18 AM

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K Major 08-07-2023 11:53 AM

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I haven't heard the name Isaiah Foskey mentioned in over a week.

Super quiet camp thus far.

jnormand 08-07-2023 12:11 PM

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Not really too hyped and Hunt and Barr. Both have been injured a lot in recent years and put on IR just to get re-injured again. And Hunt has some off field baggage.

Ugh.

Rugby Saint II 08-07-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 976770)
I haven't heard the name Isaiah Foskey mentioned in over a week.

Super quiet camp thus far.

They have started him working on his run game techniques. When he learns how to stop the run then they will integrate his pass rushing skills into the game plan. I think they are trying to round out his game before they throw him in the fire with the ones. We've been trying to find Cams replacement for years.

We've got decent depth now if Turner has indeed turned the corner and our other DE's have improved. I'm OK with not hearing his name at training camp if I hear that he is playing well later in the season. The young man has a lot to learn after missing substantial playing time in college.

AsylumGuido 08-07-2023 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 976775)
They have started him working on his run game techniques. When he learns how to stop the run then they will integrate his pass rushing skills into the game plan. I think they are trying to round out his game before they throw him in the fire with the ones. We've been trying to find Cams replacement for years.

We've got decent depth now if Turner has indeed turned the corner and out other DE's have improved. I'm OK with not hearing his name at training camp if I hear that he is playing well later in the season. The young man has a lot to learn after missing substantial playing time in college.

I think you may be confusing him with Bresee. I believe Foskey played 25 of 26 games over the past two years. The only game he missed was the bowl game last year which I believe he opted out of to prepare for the draft.

AsylumGuido 08-07-2023 01:17 PM

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Rugby Saint II 08-07-2023 01:25 PM

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I think you may be confusing him with Breese. I believe Foskey played 25 of 26 games over the past two years. The only game he missed was the bowl game last year which I believe he opted out of to prepare for the draft.

That's the second time you've let me know that I've misremembered something. Just don't take me at my word anymore. I recently had another stroke and it is getting harder to think and pull from accurate memories. I'm fine though, and I will try harder to share accurate info in the future. If I am not right just let me know and I'll work on it.

Thanks for keeping me informed when I don't make much sense!:hallucinate:

AsylumGuido 08-07-2023 03:40 PM

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That's the second time you've let me know that I've misremembered something. Just don't take me at my word anymore. I recently had another stroke and it is getting harder to think and pull from accurate memories. I'm fine though, and I will try harder to share accurate info in the future. If I am not right just let me know and I'll work on it.

Thanks for keeping me informed when I don't make much sense!:hallucinate:

It's cool, Rugs. I knew where you were going there. My recall has had its own hiccups lately. It's frustrating, for certain. I never took notes throughout school at any level because my recall was almost perfect. Recently names hang up for me at times. Numbers are still fine, however. I can name you the 14 digit card number on the TFI Card (bus pass) I got in Ireland with no problem, but struggle over a 5 year old great nephew's name.

AsylumGuido 08-07-2023 04:04 PM

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Rest 'em and let them get ready for the regular season.



SmashMouth 08-07-2023 04:15 PM

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SmashMouth 08-07-2023 04:21 PM

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K Major 08-07-2023 04:45 PM

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So maybe one or two series tops for some of the starters?

All eyes on TE, DT & LB for me.

#4-6 WR spot should be interesting as well.

SmashMouth 08-07-2023 06:10 PM

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SmashMouth 08-07-2023 06:32 PM

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SmashMouth 08-07-2023 08:53 PM

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The Dude 08-07-2023 09:43 PM

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It's cool, Rugs. I knew where you were going there. My recall has had its own hiccups lately. It's frustrating, for certain. I never took notes throughout school at any level because my recall was almost perfect. Recently names hang up for me at times. Numbers are still fine, however. I can name you the 14 digit card number on the TFI Card (bus pass) I got in Ireland with no problem, but struggle over a 5 year old great nephew's name.

Way to make it about you. Narcissist.

AsylumGuido 08-07-2023 10:45 PM

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Way to make it about you. Narcissist.

Haters gonna hate.

;)

AsylumGuido 08-08-2023 07:39 AM

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AsylumGuido 08-08-2023 08:10 AM

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Camp body.



AsylumGuido 08-08-2023 08:17 AM

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