Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers

subguy · 09-14-2023, 07:15 AM

If the defense plays as spirited as they did in the last game it will go a long way to a victory. I would like to see them actually get to the QB more but pressure is good. Our secondary appears capable of doing their part.

I feel that while Carr is getting more in sync with his offense our defense is his key. I have always been guardedly optimistic about Derek Carr.

Our O-Line and running game are a wee bit suspect. These two negatives concern me a lot, not necessarily about this game but the season. Granted we are down Kamara but he is only one man and an injury contains him more than any defensive scheme can.

Carr's outlets are currently the TE's since we don't have a back that has shown they will be able to get open in the swing and catch a ball. We know Williams is north-south.

If the O-Line improves and performs that diminishes the need for the quick outlet and gives Carr time to pick apart a secondary with Thomas, Olave and Shaheed. As the team sat last week for their first game the defense picked up the slack, but that is what winning teams do.

I think we will win the game but need to see the offense improving and heading in an upward direction to have more confidence in them.

leilung · 09-14-2023, 08:14 AM

Never take any opponent lightly when you're "supposed" to win. Especially, in the Dirty South!

Last year when we played Carolina, a QB who threw for 47 yds., 2 INTs, Sacked 2 times, and had a QB Rating of .... wait for it... 2.8... WON!

Hit them hard! Hit them often! And score! Let's get it done

WW_Who_Dat · 09-14-2023, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

If the defense plays as spirited as they did in the last game it will go a long way to a victory. I would like to see them actually get to the QB more but pressure is good. Our secondary appears capable of doing their part.

I feel that while Carr is getting more in sync with his offense our defense is his key. I have always been guardedly optimistic about Derek Carr.

Our O-Line and running game are a wee bit suspect. These two negatives concern me a lot, not necessarily about this game but the season. Granted we are down Kamara but he is only one man and an injury contains him more than any defensive scheme can.

Carr's outlets are currently the TE's since we don't have a back that has shown they will be able to get open in the swing and catch a ball. We know Williams is north-south.

If the O-Line improves and performs that diminishes the need for the quick outlet and gives Carr time to pick apart a secondary with Thomas, Olave and Shaheed. As the team sat last week for their first game the defense picked up the slack, but that is what winning teams do.

I think we will win the game but need to see the offense improving and heading in an upward direction to have more confidence in them.

All good points with regard to the Oline performance and it’s affect on Carr and timing on route development. This week will tell give us a clearer picture, for me I just think 1st game of the season and they faced a team that has had the #1 and #2 run defense for the past 2 years and they added a speed end rusher this year. There was plenty of struggles across the Oline last week Penning being the most obvious.

If that type of Oline play continues Monday …. we’ve got problems. For what it worth after week 1 Power Rankings the Saints are ranked at 13 and the Panthers 30. Titans come in at 24.

Rankings 1-12 in order
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Eagles
Chiefs
Bills
Bengals
Dolphins
Lions
Browns
Ravens
Chargers
Jaguars

SmashMouth · 09-14-2023, 12:09 PM

K Major · 09-14-2023, 12:14 PM

If you get a chance, check out the film study Rev Windham did on the interior D-line play.

Saunders & Roach were getting it done in those trenches. That interior "push" was getting there. Something that we missed last year.

By the way, Carl Granderson's hand technique is impressive & he's strong.

Saints are getting a lot of praise offensively, however, for me, it's that defensive front and secondary.

You stop the run, you make teams one-dimensional & subsequent turnovers. Saunders (his gap discipline is solid) was a key signing this off-season.

SmashMouth · 09-14-2023, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

If you get a chance, check out the film study Rev Windham did on the interior D-line play.

Saunders & Roach were getting it done in those trenches. That interior "push" was getting there. Something that we missed last year.

By the way, Carl Granderson's hand technique is impressive & he's strong.

Saints are getting a lot of praise offensively, however, for me, it's that defensive front and secondary.

You stop the run, you make teams one-dimensional & subsequent turnovers. Saunders (his gap discipline is solid) was a key signing this off-season.

Turner won't be missed much if any. We'll prolly get better with our depth. Hopefully WTFoskey can step up and contribute sooner than later.

AsylumGuido · 09-14-2023, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

This is my biggest hope...he clearly looked slow. I do think a lack of experience to the game at this level is a major contributor to his slowness.

You hear all the time about the speed of the game and every player takes time to adjust. Missing all of the time these first two off-seasons have to have had an affect. Just look at Ruiz. His first two off-seasons were totally non-existent and it took him time to become a really solid starter. Hopefully things start slowing down more and more with each game and practice.

AsylumGuido · 09-14-2023, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

If the defense plays as spirited as they did in the last game it will go a long way to a victory. I would like to see them actually get to the QB more but pressure is good. Our secondary appears capable of doing their part.

I feel that while Carr is getting more in sync with his offense our defense is his key. I have always been guardedly optimistic about Derek Carr.

Our O-Line and running game are a wee bit suspect. These two negatives concern me a lot, not necessarily about this game but the season. Granted we are down Kamara but he is only one man and an injury contains him more than any defensive scheme can.

Carr's outlets are currently the TE's since we don't have a back that has shown they will be able to get open in the swing and catch a ball. We know Williams is north-south.

If the O-Line improves and performs that diminishes the need for the quick outlet and gives Carr time to pick apart a secondary with Thomas, Olave and Shaheed. As the team sat last week for their first game the defense picked up the slack, but that is what winning teams do.

I think we will win the game but need to see the offense improving and heading in an upward direction to have more confidence in them.

We were actually also missing our rookie RB Kendre Miller who is expected to be contributing on a regular basis. Hopefully he's back this week.

Rugby Saint II · 09-14-2023, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

If you get a chance, check out the film study Rev Windham did on the interior D-line play.

Saunders & Roach were getting it done in those trenches. That interior "push" was getting there. Something that we missed last year.

By the way, Carl Granderson's hand technique is impressive & he's strong.

Saints are getting a lot of praise offensively, however, for me, it's that defensive front and secondary.

You stop the run, you make teams one-dimensional & subsequent turnovers. Saunders (his gap discipline is solid) was a key signing this off-season.

Saunders was probably our best offseason acquisition. He didn't grade out well but he looked good enough to make an impact. Our front seven is going to spoil a lot of OC's game plans!

Rugby Saint II · 09-14-2023, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Turner won't be missed much if any. We'll prolly get better with our depth. Hopefully WTFoskey can step up and contribute sooner than later.

I don't know about not missing Turner much. He was looking like he had finally turned the corner and was getting pressure throughout training camp. I think he'll be missed even if Foskey gets all of his snaps.

09-14-2023, 07:15 AM	#61
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers If the defense plays as spirited as they did in the last game it will go a long way to a victory. I would like to see them actually get to the QB more but pressure is good. Our secondary appears capable of doing their part. I feel that while Carr is getting more in sync with his offense our defense is his key. I have always been guardedly optimistic about Derek Carr. Our O-Line and running game are a wee bit suspect. These two negatives concern me a lot, not necessarily about this game but the season. Granted we are down Kamara but he is only one man and an injury contains him more than any defensive scheme can. Carr's outlets are currently the TE's since we don't have a back that has shown they will be able to get open in the swing and catch a ball. We know Williams is north-south. If the O-Line improves and performs that diminishes the need for the quick outlet and gives Carr time to pick apart a secondary with Thomas, Olave and Shaheed. As the team sat last week for their first game the defense picked up the slack, but that is what winning teams do. I think we will win the game but need to see the offense improving and heading in an upward direction to have more confidence in them. Boston Saint likes this.
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09-14-2023, 08:14 AM	#62
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,373	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers Never take any opponent lightly when you're "supposed" to win. Especially, in the Dirty South! Last year when we played Carolina, a QB who threw for 47 yds., 2 INTs, Sacked 2 times, and had a QB Rating of .... wait for it... 2.8... WON! Hit them hard! Hit them often! And score! Let's get it done jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

09-14-2023, 09:44 AM	#63
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers Originally Posted by subguy If the defense plays as spirited as they did in the last game it will go a long way to a victory. I would like to see them actually get to the QB more but pressure is good. Our secondary appears capable of doing their part. I feel that while Carr is getting more in sync with his offense our defense is his key. I have always been guardedly optimistic about Derek Carr. Our O-Line and running game are a wee bit suspect. These two negatives concern me a lot, not necessarily about this game but the season. Granted we are down Kamara but he is only one man and an injury contains him more than any defensive scheme can. Carr's outlets are currently the TE's since we don't have a back that has shown they will be able to get open in the swing and catch a ball. We know Williams is north-south. If the O-Line improves and performs that diminishes the need for the quick outlet and gives Carr time to pick apart a secondary with Thomas, Olave and Shaheed. As the team sat last week for their first game the defense picked up the slack, but that is what winning teams do. I think we will win the game but need to see the offense improving and heading in an upward direction to have more confidence in them. All good points with regard to the Oline performance and it’s affect on Carr and timing on route development. This week will tell give us a clearer picture, for me I just think 1st game of the season and they faced a team that has had the #1 and #2 run defense for the past 2 years and they added a speed end rusher this year. There was plenty of struggles across the Oline last week Penning being the most obvious. If that type of Oline play continues Monday …. we’ve got problems. For what it worth after week 1 Power Rankings the Saints are ranked at 13 and the Panthers 30. Titans come in at 24. Rankings 1-12 in order 49ers Cowboys Eagles Chiefs Bills Bengals Dolphins Lions Browns Ravens Chargers Jaguars subguy likes this.

09-14-2023, 12:09 PM	#64
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09-14-2023, 12:14 PM	#65
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers If you get a chance, check out the film study Rev Windham did on the interior D-line play. Saunders & Roach were getting it done in those trenches. That interior "push" was getting there. Something that we missed last year. By the way, Carl Granderson's hand technique is impressive & he's strong. Saints are getting a lot of praise offensively, however, for me, it's that defensive front and secondary. You stop the run, you make teams one-dimensional & subsequent turnovers. Saunders (his gap discipline is solid) was a key signing this off-season. leilung, saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

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09-14-2023, 12:24 PM	#66
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers Originally Posted by K Major If you get a chance, check out the film study Rev Windham did on the interior D-line play. Saunders & Roach were getting it done in those trenches. That interior "push" was getting there. Something that we missed last year. By the way, Carl Granderson's hand technique is impressive & he's strong. Saints are getting a lot of praise offensively, however, for me, it's that defensive front and secondary. You stop the run, you make teams one-dimensional & subsequent turnovers. Saunders (his gap discipline is solid) was a key signing this off-season. Turner won't be missed much if any. We'll prolly get better with our depth. Hopefully WTFoskey can step up and contribute sooner than later. jnormand likes this.

09-14-2023, 12:44 PM	#67
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers Originally Posted by subguy This is my biggest hope...he clearly looked slow. I do think a lack of experience to the game at this level is a major contributor to his slowness. You hear all the time about the speed of the game and every player takes time to adjust. Missing all of the time these first two off-seasons have to have had an affect. Just look at Ruiz. His first two off-seasons were totally non-existent and it took him time to become a really solid starter. Hopefully things start slowing down more and more with each game and practice.

09-14-2023, 12:47 PM	#68
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers Originally Posted by subguy If the defense plays as spirited as they did in the last game it will go a long way to a victory. I would like to see them actually get to the QB more but pressure is good. Our secondary appears capable of doing their part. I feel that while Carr is getting more in sync with his offense our defense is his key. I have always been guardedly optimistic about Derek Carr. Our O-Line and running game are a wee bit suspect. These two negatives concern me a lot, not necessarily about this game but the season. Granted we are down Kamara but he is only one man and an injury contains him more than any defensive scheme can. Carr's outlets are currently the TE's since we don't have a back that has shown they will be able to get open in the swing and catch a ball. We know Williams is north-south. If the O-Line improves and performs that diminishes the need for the quick outlet and gives Carr time to pick apart a secondary with Thomas, Olave and Shaheed. As the team sat last week for their first game the defense picked up the slack, but that is what winning teams do. I think we will win the game but need to see the offense improving and heading in an upward direction to have more confidence in them. We were actually also missing our rookie RB Kendre Miller who is expected to be contributing on a regular basis. Hopefully he's back this week.

09-14-2023, 01:31 PM	#69
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers Originally Posted by K Major If you get a chance, check out the film study Rev Windham did on the interior D-line play. Saunders & Roach were getting it done in those trenches. That interior "push" was getting there. Something that we missed last year. By the way, Carl Granderson's hand technique is impressive & he's strong. Saints are getting a lot of praise offensively, however, for me, it's that defensive front and secondary. You stop the run, you make teams one-dimensional & subsequent turnovers. Saunders (his gap discipline is solid) was a key signing this off-season. Saunders was probably our best offseason acquisition. He didn't grade out well but he looked good enough to make an impact. Our front seven is going to spoil a lot of OC's game plans!

09-14-2023, 01:33 PM	#70
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Week 2 - Saints @ Panthers Originally Posted by SmashMouth Turner won't be missed much if any. We'll prolly get better with our depth. Hopefully WTFoskey can step up and contribute sooner than later. I don't know about not missing Turner much. He was looking like he had finally turned the corner and was getting pressure throughout training camp. I think he'll be missed even if Foskey gets all of his snaps. cmike and K Major like this.