Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers

09-25-2023, 03:42 PM

The play calling is horrible. Defense is doing their job but can't be expected to perform at a high level if they are on the field all the time. Both Carr and Winston are holding the ball too long. Did anybody else see multiple receivers in the same place? on multiple pass plays? Who is designing the route trees? The offense has NO identity. They haven't shown YET if they can pass, run or block well. At some point, we have to do something well (enough) so that other things opens up. As ugly as that loss was, we were just a field goal away from being 3-0.

rezburna · 09-25-2023, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What scheme should we be running?

I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t.

dizzle88 · 09-25-2023, 03:48 PM

Even if Grupe makes that kick, there's 1:10 on the clock and the Packers have 2-3 timeouts.

Theres no way our defense that just allowed 18 straight points would have stopped them.

As soon as the Packers went no huddle and we didn't adjust, this script was written and we were in trouble.

WW_Who_Dat · 09-25-2023, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What scheme should we be running?

Watching the SF-Giants KC- Bears almost every play has motion to get a tell on the defensive coverage, zone, man, who’s isolated single coverage and then attack.
Looks dynamic because it is constantly forcing the defense to identify, communicate and adjust before the every snap.

Watching the Saints play is it
1.Offensive Line
2.Offensive Line Coaching
3.Scheme
Is it 1, 2 or all 3?

We will not have a healthy QB left at this pace by game 10 when the opponents DLine can Tee-off on our QB on too many 3rd and long.

On pace to allow 68 sacks … fix the first 2 and scheme will MIGHT resolve itself with … or not. Either way you have an answer.

K Major · 09-25-2023, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t.

The crazy thing here is that the Saints have PLAYMAKERS to make this work.

AK, Shaheed (not targeted once on yesterday), Olave, Miller, Taysom Hill.

I don't know what the OC's name down in Miami is, however his play selection is creative as hell.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2023, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I think Josh Johnson and Jameis Winston are the same guy. Kinda like Guido and shawnkytonk. Winston will have to suffice until Carr comes back and this O-line has to figure out how to do better soon.

Thank you! I like shawnky. He's good people.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2023, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Even if Grupe makes that kick, there's 1:10 on the clock and the Packers have 2-3 timeouts.

Theres no way our defense that just allowed 18 straight points would have stopped them.

As soon as the Packers went no huddle and we didn't adjust, this script was written and we were in trouble.

We would have picked Love off trying to force a play to end the game had Grupe made the kick.

Sinner · 09-25-2023, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We would have picked Love off trying to force a play to end the game had Grupe made the kick.

But he didn’t, so we didn’t. The game is not called hypothesis. It’s football, and we weren’t prepared to protect a 17 point lead. It shouldn’t have come down to that missed kick.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2023, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

But he didn’t, so we didn’t. The game is not called hypothesis. It’s football, and we weren’t prepared to protect a 17 point lead. It shouldn’t have come down to that missed kick.

But it did. There's nothing you or I can do or say to change that. Is this not correct? I choose to don my rose colored glasses while you choose the fecal tinted ones instead. It's each to his own. I understand you look at and expect the worst. Doesn't mean I'll ever understand why. And I'll always look for the best in everything. I hope someday you can understand why.

Who Dat, Brother!

Sinner · 09-25-2023, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But it did. There's nothing you or I can do or say to change that. Is this not correct? I choose to don my rose colored glasses while you choose the fecal tinted ones instead. It's each to his own. I understand you look at and expect the worst. Doesn't mean I'll ever understand why. And I'll always look for the best in everything. I hope someday you can understand why.

Who Dat, Brother!

Do rose colored glasses change the score, and turn an L into a W? I’m not wearing glasses. I see facts. We’re in trouble. I saw this coming last year, without any glasses on, and here we are.

09-25-2023, 03:42 PM	#101
Threaded by darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044 Rating: (0 votes - average) The play calling is horrible. Defense is doing their job but can't be expected to perform at a high level if they are on the field all the time. Both Carr and Winston are holding the ball too long. Did anybody else see multiple receivers in the same place? on multiple pass plays? Who is designing the route trees? The offense has NO identity. They haven't shown YET if they can pass, run or block well. At some point, we have to do something well (enough) so that other things opens up. As ugly as that loss was, we were just a field goal away from being 3-0.
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09-25-2023, 03:42 PM	#102
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,670	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Danno What scheme should we be running? I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t. Danno, MatthewT, Rsanders24 and 3 others like this.

09-25-2023, 03:48 PM	#103
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Even if Grupe makes that kick, there's 1:10 on the clock and the Packers have 2-3 timeouts. Theres no way our defense that just allowed 18 straight points would have stopped them. As soon as the Packers went no huddle and we didn't adjust, this script was written and we were in trouble. MatthewT, Sinner and K Major like this.

09-25-2023, 04:01 PM	#104
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,164 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Danno What scheme should we be running? Watching the SF-Giants KC- Bears almost every play has motion to get a tell on the defensive coverage, zone, man, who’s isolated single coverage and then attack. Looks dynamic because it is constantly forcing the defense to identify, communicate and adjust before the every snap. Watching the Saints play is it 1.Offensive Line 2.Offensive Line Coaching 3.Scheme Is it 1, 2 or all 3? We will not have a healthy QB left at this pace by game 10 when the opponents DLine can Tee-off on our QB on too many 3rd and long. On pace to allow 68 sacks … fix the first 2 and scheme will MIGHT resolve itself with … or not. Either way you have an answer.

09-25-2023, 04:16 PM	#105
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,054 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by rezburna I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t. The crazy thing here is that the Saints have PLAYMAKERS to make this work. AK, Shaheed (not targeted once on yesterday), Olave, Miller, Taysom Hill. I don't know what the OC's name down in Miami is, however his play selection is creative as hell. WW_Who_Dat and rezburna like this.

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09-25-2023, 05:22 PM	#106
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by iceshack149 I think Josh Johnson and Jameis Winston are the same guy. Kinda like Guido and shawnkytonk. Winston will have to suffice until Carr comes back and this O-line has to figure out how to do better soon. Thank you! I like shawnky. He's good people.

09-25-2023, 05:23 PM	#107
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by dizzle88 Even if Grupe makes that kick, there's 1:10 on the clock and the Packers have 2-3 timeouts. Theres no way our defense that just allowed 18 straight points would have stopped them. As soon as the Packers went no huddle and we didn't adjust, this script was written and we were in trouble. We would have picked Love off trying to force a play to end the game had Grupe made the kick. Papa Voodoo likes this.

09-25-2023, 06:31 PM	#108
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We would have picked Love off trying to force a play to end the game had Grupe made the kick. But he didn’t, so we didn’t. The game is not called hypothesis. It’s football, and we weren’t prepared to protect a 17 point lead. It shouldn’t have come down to that missed kick. K Major likes this.
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09-25-2023, 06:38 PM	#109
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Sinner But he didn’t, so we didn’t. The game is not called hypothesis. It’s football, and we weren’t prepared to protect a 17 point lead. It shouldn’t have come down to that missed kick. But it did. There's nothing you or I can do or say to change that. Is this not correct? I choose to don my rose colored glasses while you choose the fecal tinted ones instead. It's each to his own. I understand you look at and expect the worst. Doesn't mean I'll ever understand why. And I'll always look for the best in everything. I hope someday you can understand why. Who Dat, Brother!

09-25-2023, 06:44 PM	#110
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But it did. There's nothing you or I can do or say to change that. Is this not correct? I choose to don my rose colored glasses while you choose the fecal tinted ones instead. It's each to his own. I understand you look at and expect the worst. Doesn't mean I'll ever understand why. And I'll always look for the best in everything. I hope someday you can understand why. Who Dat, Brother! Do rose colored glasses change the score, and turn an L into a W? I’m not wearing glasses. I see facts. We’re in trouble. I saw this coming last year, without any glasses on, and here we are. dizzle88 and K Major like this.
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