Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better

K Major · 11-06-2023, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Do we miss Mortan Andersen already? Hate that he went to be a FailClown in his latter years. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he hadn't lost too much accuracy, maybe distance loss. How often is a 60 yarder kicked anyway?

Lol. MA? The legend?

I can still remember my dad always taking a quick "bathroom break" immediately on 4th down when we were in fg range. I would say "hey dad, you are going to miss this field goal try". My dad " ... son, that's 3, he ain't missing".

Good times. R.I.P. pops

MA was about as automatic as they come. Guess he has a yellow jacket & bust in Canton for a reason

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Do we miss Mortan Andersen already? Hate that he went to be a FailClown in his latter years. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he hadn't lost too much accuracy, maybe distance loss. How often is a 60 yarder kicked anyway?

As great as we remember Morten Andersen, his career FG percentage with the Saints was 77.6% (302 for 389). At 18 for 25, Blake Grupe's career FG percentage sits at 78.3%, and is over half a percentage point better than Morten's. Just saying.

BTW, Morten's career percentage from 40+ yards was 62.1% (187 for 301). With Grupe's miss from 47 yards yesterday his percentage from 40+ is now 66.7% (8 for 12). Andersen was 40 of 84 from 50+ (47.6%) while Grupe is 4 of 6 for 66.7%.

As fans we have selective memories.

SmashMouth · 11-06-2023, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As great as we remember Morten Andersen, his career FG percentage with the Saints was 77.6% (302 for 389). At 18 for 25, Blake Grupe's career FG percentage sits at 78.3%, and is over half a percentage point better than Morten's. Just saying.

BTW, Morten's career percentage from 40+ yards was 62.1% (187 for 301). With Grupe's miss from 47 yards yesterday his percentage from 40+ is now 66.7% (8 for 12). Andersen was 40 of 84 from 50+ (47.6%) while Grupe is 4 of 6 for 66.7%.

As fans we have selective memories.

Fair point... what are the numbers in the clutch I wonder?

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Fair point... what are the numbers in the clutch I wonder?

Not sure how to find them. I do know from his career stats that Andersen improved from very mediocre numbers his first two seasons (19 of 29, 65.6%) to 88.6% his 4th season. I think we only remember Morten at his best. I know he missed his share and a number of them at critical times.

neugey · 11-06-2023, 03:11 PM

It's a little tough to compare Morten to contemporary kickers IMO. Kicking from distance with reasonable accuracy was a scarcer commodity in those days and Morten's abilities were more valuable in the league.

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

It's a little tough to compare Morten to contemporary kickers IMO. Kicking from distance with reasonable accuracy was a scarcer commodity in those days and Morten's abilities were more valuable in the league.

This is true.

hitta · 11-06-2023, 03:23 PM

I feel like Lutz is more likely to make a kick in a clutch moment than Grupe. That is one of the big differences I see imo. Lutz seems to elevate in clutch moment, Grupe seems to shrink. It's a mental thing. You can throw out stats all you want.

leilung · 11-06-2023, 03:45 PM

I for one, do NOT feel confident in relying on Gruppe in clutch situations. Once again, we've been spoiled by kickers for the past decade who have been pretty much automatic. It's a struggle, but who else is out there?

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 04:17 PM

I just remember the members here that were calling for Lutz's head last season when he missed 8 of 25 over 30 yards.

SmashMouth · 11-06-2023, 04:33 PM

Gould is the closest thing these days. But he's 40 I think. Plus his $ demands are up there too.

All we really have to do is go for two every time. I read somewhere where the probability average was way better than people thought in terms of being successful on a two point conversion.

11-06-2023, 11:32 AM	#21
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,059 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by SmashMouth Do we miss Mortan Andersen already? Hate that he went to be a FailClown in his latter years. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he hadn't lost too much accuracy, maybe distance loss. How often is a 60 yarder kicked anyway? Lol. MA? The legend? I can still remember my dad always taking a quick "bathroom break" immediately on 4th down when we were in fg range. I would say "hey dad, you are going to miss this field goal try". My dad " ... son, that's 3, he ain't missing". Good times. R.I.P. pops MA was about as automatic as they come. Guess he has a yellow jacket & bust in Canton for a reason jnormand, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-06-2023, 12:52 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by SmashMouth Do we miss Mortan Andersen already? Hate that he went to be a FailClown in his latter years. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he hadn't lost too much accuracy, maybe distance loss. How often is a 60 yarder kicked anyway? As great as we remember Morten Andersen, his career FG percentage with the Saints was 77.6% (302 for 389). At 18 for 25, Blake Grupe's career FG percentage sits at 78.3%, and is over half a percentage point better than Morten's. Just saying. BTW, Morten's career percentage from 40+ yards was 62.1% (187 for 301). With Grupe's miss from 47 yards yesterday his percentage from 40+ is now 66.7% (8 for 12). Andersen was 40 of 84 from 50+ (47.6%) while Grupe is 4 of 6 for 66.7%. As fans we have selective memories. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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11-06-2023, 01:53 PM	#23
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,060 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As great as we remember Morten Andersen, his career FG percentage with the Saints was 77.6% (302 for 389). At 18 for 25, Blake Grupe's career FG percentage sits at 78.3%, and is over half a percentage point better than Morten's. Just saying. BTW, Morten's career percentage from 40+ yards was 62.1% (187 for 301). With Grupe's miss from 47 yards yesterday his percentage from 40+ is now 66.7% (8 for 12). Andersen was 40 of 84 from 50+ (47.6%) while Grupe is 4 of 6 for 66.7%. As fans we have selective memories. Fair point... what are the numbers in the clutch I wonder? Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-06-2023, 03:04 PM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by SmashMouth Fair point... what are the numbers in the clutch I wonder? Not sure how to find them. I do know from his career stats that Andersen improved from very mediocre numbers his first two seasons (19 of 29, 65.6%) to 88.6% his 4th season. I think we only remember Morten at his best. I know he missed his share and a number of them at critical times.

11-06-2023, 03:11 PM	#25
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,606 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better It's a little tough to compare Morten to contemporary kickers IMO. Kicking from distance with reasonable accuracy was a scarcer commodity in those days and Morten's abilities were more valuable in the league. jnormand likes this.

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11-06-2023, 03:13 PM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by neugey It's a little tough to compare Morten to contemporary kickers IMO. Kicking from distance with reasonable accuracy was a scarcer commodity in those days and Morten's abilities were more valuable in the league. This is true.

11-06-2023, 03:23 PM	#27
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,301	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better I feel like Lutz is more likely to make a kick in a clutch moment than Grupe. That is one of the big differences I see imo. Lutz seems to elevate in clutch moment, Grupe seems to shrink. It's a mental thing. You can throw out stats all you want.
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11-06-2023, 03:45 PM	#28
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,162	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better I for one, do NOT feel confident in relying on Gruppe in clutch situations. Once again, we've been spoiled by kickers for the past decade who have been pretty much automatic. It's a struggle, but who else is out there? K Major likes this.

11-06-2023, 04:17 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better I just remember the members here that were calling for Lutz's head last season when he missed 8 of 25 over 30 yards.

11-06-2023, 04:33 PM	#30
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,060 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Gould is the closest thing these days. But he's 40 I think. Plus his $ demands are up there too. All we really have to do is go for two every time. I read somewhere where the probability average was way better than people thought in terms of being successful on a two point conversion.