Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Gould is the closest thing these days. But he's 40 I think. Plus his $ demands are up there too.

All we really have to do is go for two every time. I read somewhere where the probability average was way better than people thought in terms of being successful on a two point conversion.

As bad as we've been in the red zone? Grupe is perfect on extra points.

Mr.Riaton · 11-06-2023, 10:32 PM

Well Andersons fg percentage was an abysmal 40% in his rookie year which is a way more acceptable comparison than comparing a half a season by Groupe to a 24 season career by Anderson. I think we should give the rookie a chance to get better, however I do agree that it would be nice to have a kicker who can deliver more consistently in clutch situations. Then again it would be nice for our offense to live up to its potential and not put us in those situations to begin with…

hitta · 11-07-2023, 02:25 AM

I have absolutely no confidence in Grupe hitting a 47 YD FG to win a game right now. If we are behind when he kicks it my confidence goes down even more. I don't think he has the mind to be a clutch kicker. Those taking up for him based on stats can keep at it. The only thing that would change my mind in some way would be to see him hit a clutch kick. I think mentally, he is hanging on a ledge right now. Kickers can build confidence, but honestly, I've never thought that Grupe had the right innate mind for being a clutch kicker. I would be incredibly happy to be wrong about this, it's not like I'm rooting against him. I'd love for him to be the next Gostkowski, I just don't see it happening.

Lutz, on the other hand, has the right innate mental workings, he's just had a couple of bad breaks that have altered his confidence and he's trying to work through his issues. His kicks also don't look as smooth as they used to, I'm not sure if this is a health-related thing or a mind thing. I'm not certain if he'll ever be who he was, but when he was right he was special. I feel like Lutz raises the bar though when the pressure is on him. This doesn't necessarily mean he's going to make it though as he's got some real issues right now.

SmashMouth · 11-07-2023, 07:35 AM

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AsylumGuido · 11-07-2023, 08:33 AM

The following from the article is exactly what I brought up earlier.

When asked whether this was about protecting Grupe’s confidence, Allen replied, “This is a grown man’s league. We’re not worried about anybody’s feelings right now. Blake’s got a job to do, he’s got to kick it through the posts, and he understands that.” Allen pointed to the other factors at play on a field goal try like the snap and hold and protection that could impact the success of a kick.

I'm wondering if the inexperience of the rookie holder, Hedley, could be a factor?

leilung · 11-07-2023, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...75161027064005

The following from the article is exactly what I brought up earlier.

When asked whether this was about protecting Grupe’s confidence, Allen replied, “This is a grown man’s league. We’re not worried about anybody’s feelings right now. Blake’s got a job to do, he’s got to kick it through the posts, and he understands that.” Allen pointed to the other factors at play on a field goal try like the snap and hold and protection that could impact the success of a kick.

I'm wondering if the inexperience of the rookie holder, Hedley, could be a factor?

There are four elements of the FG that need to click for success: The Snap, The Hold, The Kick, and the Kickers head! Sorta like Golf... if your head isn't Zen, your accuracy is going to be in the toilet!

iceshack149 · 11-07-2023, 01:50 PM

Kickers are weird. If memory serves me correctly, Garrett Hartley was kicking poorly at the end of the 2009 season but was money in the playoffs.

K Major · 11-07-2023, 04:02 PM

Grupe is missing fgs indoors, AT HOME, no wind that have to be made. So apparently you beat out the vet (Lutz), making em 55+ during pre game warm ups, so what's the problem?

To hear Allen say they weren't even bringing in "tryouts" at the position after another shaky performance is dangerous (post season).
At least bring in a kicking consultant to help.

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AsylumGuido · 11-07-2023, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Grupe is missing fgs indoors, AT HOME, no wind that have to be made. So apparently you beat out the vet (Lutz), making em 55+ during pre game warm ups, so what's the problem?

To hear Allen say they weren't even bringing in "tryouts" at the position after another shaky performance is dangerous (post season).
At least bring in a kicking consultant to help.

Bookmark this page.

I've got this post bookmarked.

SmashMouth · 11-07-2023, 06:11 PM

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11-06-2023, 06:16 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by SmashMouth Gould is the closest thing these days. But he's 40 I think. Plus his $ demands are up there too. All we really have to do is go for two every time. I read somewhere where the probability average was way better than people thought in terms of being successful on a two point conversion. As bad as we've been in the red zone? Grupe is perfect on extra points.

11-06-2023, 10:32 PM	#32
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Well Andersons fg percentage was an abysmal 40% in his rookie year which is a way more acceptable comparison than comparing a half a season by Groupe to a 24 season career by Anderson. I think we should give the rookie a chance to get better, however I do agree that it would be nice to have a kicker who can deliver more consistently in clutch situations. Then again it would be nice for our offense to live up to its potential and not put us in those situations to begin with… jnormand, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-07-2023, 02:25 AM	#33
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,320	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better I have absolutely no confidence in Grupe hitting a 47 YD FG to win a game right now. If we are behind when he kicks it my confidence goes down even more. I don't think he has the mind to be a clutch kicker. Those taking up for him based on stats can keep at it. The only thing that would change my mind in some way would be to see him hit a clutch kick. I think mentally, he is hanging on a ledge right now. Kickers can build confidence, but honestly, I've never thought that Grupe had the right innate mind for being a clutch kicker. I would be incredibly happy to be wrong about this, it's not like I'm rooting against him. I'd love for him to be the next Gostkowski, I just don't see it happening. Lutz, on the other hand, has the right innate mental workings, he's just had a couple of bad breaks that have altered his confidence and he's trying to work through his issues. His kicks also don't look as smooth as they used to, I'm not sure if this is a health-related thing or a mind thing. I'm not certain if he'll ever be who he was, but when he was right he was special. I feel like Lutz raises the bar though when the pressure is on him. This doesn't necessarily mean he's going to make it though as he's got some real issues right now.
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11-07-2023, 08:33 AM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Twitter The following from the article is exactly what I brought up earlier. When asked whether this was about protecting Grupe’s confidence, Allen replied, “This is a grown man’s league. We’re not worried about anybody’s feelings right now. Blake’s got a job to do, he’s got to kick it through the posts, and he understands that.” Allen pointed to the other factors at play on a field goal try like the snap and hold and protection that could impact the success of a kick. I'm wondering if the inexperience of the rookie holder, Hedley, could be a factor?
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11-07-2023, 12:43 PM	#36
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...75161027064005 The following from the article is exactly what I brought up earlier. When asked whether this was about protecting Grupe’s confidence, Allen replied, “This is a grown man’s league. We’re not worried about anybody’s feelings right now. Blake’s got a job to do, he’s got to kick it through the posts, and he understands that.” Allen pointed to the other factors at play on a field goal try like the snap and hold and protection that could impact the success of a kick. I'm wondering if the inexperience of the rookie holder, Hedley, could be a factor? There are four elements of the FG that need to click for success: The Snap, The Hold, The Kick, and the Kickers head! Sorta like Golf... if your head isn't Zen, your accuracy is going to be in the toilet!

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11-07-2023, 01:50 PM	#37
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Kickers are weird. If memory serves me correctly, Garrett Hartley was kicking poorly at the end of the 2009 season but was money in the playoffs.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Grupe is missing fgs indoors, AT HOME, no wind that have to be made. So apparently you beat out the vet (Lutz), making em 55+ during pre game warm ups, so what's the problem? To hear Allen say they weren't even bringing in "tryouts" at the position after another shaky performance is dangerous (post season). At least bring in a kicking consultant to help. Bookmark this page. leilung and SmashMouth like this.

11-07-2023, 04:12 PM	#39
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by K Major Grupe is missing fgs indoors, AT HOME, no wind that have to be made. So apparently you beat out the vet (Lutz), making em 55+ during pre game warm ups, so what's the problem? To hear Allen say they weren't even bringing in "tryouts" at the position after another shaky performance is dangerous (post season). At least bring in a kicking consultant to help. Bookmark this page. I've got this post bookmarked. SmashMouth likes this.