Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better

SmashMouth · 11-06-2023, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If there was a free agent kicker that could consistently execute completely accurate kicks and from deep range he wouldn't be a free agent.

Hitting an upright is not an egregious miss. That is literally missing by inches. We commonly see kickers miss by several feet. Besides, there are multiple factors involved in the kick. Was the snap perfect? Was timing and placement of the ball perfect? Was the footing perfect?

But, here's a listing of all free agent kickers.

Spotrac FA PK's

Verity is a FA? Let's bring him in.

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Come on, 47 yards, in the NFL, in a DOME with no weather without being in hostile away game? You better believe that is a MUST make kick for an NFL professional kicker. Don't apologize for Grupe. He needs to yank his head out his arse.

Had he pulled it or pushed it I could see your point. It hit the upright. To me that's not a fireable offense by any kicker. Not apologizing for anyone. Just stating facts, Halo.

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Verity is a FA? Let's bring him in.

LOL! The guy's never made an active roster after attempts with four different teams. He's a free agent for a reason. Probably selling insurance or something these days hoping to get on with a CFL team next season.

K Major · 11-06-2023, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Come on, 47 yards, in the NFL, in a DOME with no weather without being in hostile away game? You better believe that is a MUST make kick for an NFL professional kicker. Don't apologize for Grupe. He needs to yank his head out his arse.

Exactly.

I don't trust Grupe at all.

K Major · 11-06-2023, 09:54 AM

Some teams have the ability to find a way rather than come up with excuses every week.

There should be kicker tryouts on Metarie Dr this week.

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SmashMouth · 11-06-2023, 09:55 AM

Seriously though, it's almost hard to believe out of 32 jobs, we can't find one decent kicker out of all the college football programs in excess of 100, small and large, that can fill this kind of gig. Most of guys on that Spotrac list are too $ and over the hill.

Kickalicious is over the hill now to even consider.

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papz · 11-06-2023, 10:20 AM

Bring in Bullock for a tryout. This should have been a larger kicking competition during the off season.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-06-2023, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We won by seven points. A missed field goal only counts for three points. Not only did Chicago do nothing after the missed field goal, they fumbled the ball back to us. That miss mattered less than the 55 yarder that gave us our first lead of the game at 17-14. We never trailed after that key kick.

I'm not sure that matters Guido. What matters with kickers is can you trust them to make the kicks they need to make when it counts. Kicks that put the game away. We've seen the miss in Green Bay. We saw the miss yesterday. Do you trust Grupe to deliver the next time the game is on the line? The fact that we are asking the question means there is a problem in this area.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2023, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I'm not sure that matters Guido. What matters with kickers is can you trust them to make the kicks they need to make when it counts. Kicks that put the game away. We've seen the miss in Green Bay. We saw the miss yesterday. Do you trust Grupe to deliver the next time the game is on the line? The fact that we are asking the question means there is a problem in this area.

SFIAH

I trust him just as much as anyone else that is available. The grass isn't always greener. Once again, if he'd missed the kick badly it would have been another matter. Like I mentioned earlier, hitting the upright could have been because of the timing of a hold as much as anything Grupe did wrong himself.

To be honest, I don't think there's any kicker in the league I would completely trust on a kick. None of them are perfect.

SmashMouth · 11-06-2023, 12:00 PM

Do we miss Mortan Andersen already? Hate that he went to be a FailClown in his latter years. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he hadn't lost too much accuracy, maybe distance loss. How often is a 60 yarder kicked anyway?

11-06-2023, 09:29 AM	#11
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If there was a free agent kicker that could consistently execute completely accurate kicks and from deep range he wouldn't be a free agent. Hitting an upright is not an egregious miss. That is literally missing by inches. We commonly see kickers miss by several feet. Besides, there are multiple factors involved in the kick. Was the snap perfect? Was timing and placement of the ball perfect? Was the footing perfect? But, here's a listing of all free agent kickers. Spotrac FA PK's Verity is a FA? Let's bring him in.

11-06-2023, 09:35 AM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by Halo Come on, 47 yards, in the NFL, in a DOME with no weather without being in hostile away game? You better believe that is a MUST make kick for an NFL professional kicker. Don't apologize for Grupe. He needs to yank his head out his arse. Had he pulled it or pushed it I could see your point. It hit the upright. To me that's not a fireable offense by any kicker. Not apologizing for anyone. Just stating facts, Halo.

11-06-2023, 09:41 AM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by SmashMouth Verity is a FA? Let's bring him in. LOL! The guy's never made an active roster after attempts with four different teams. He's a free agent for a reason. Probably selling insurance or something these days hoping to get on with a CFL team next season.

11-06-2023, 09:51 AM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by Halo Come on, 47 yards, in the NFL, in a DOME with no weather without being in hostile away game? You better believe that is a MUST make kick for an NFL professional kicker. Don't apologize for Grupe. He needs to yank his head out his arse. Exactly. I don't trust Grupe at all. SmashMouth and dizzle88 like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Some teams have the ability to find a way rather than come up with excuses every week. There should be kicker tryouts on Metarie Dr this week. Twitter SmashMouth likes this.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We won by seven points. A missed field goal only counts for three points. Not only did Chicago do nothing after the missed field goal, they fumbled the ball back to us. That miss mattered less than the 55 yarder that gave us our first lead of the game at 17-14. We never trailed after that key kick. I'm not sure that matters Guido. What matters with kickers is can you trust them to make the kicks they need to make when it counts. Kicks that put the game away. We've seen the miss in Green Bay. We saw the miss yesterday. Do you trust Grupe to deliver the next time the game is on the line? The fact that we are asking the question means there is a problem in this area. SFIAH SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

11-06-2023, 11:45 AM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I'm not sure that matters Guido. What matters with kickers is can you trust them to make the kicks they need to make when it counts. Kicks that put the game away. We've seen the miss in Green Bay. We saw the miss yesterday. Do you trust Grupe to deliver the next time the game is on the line? The fact that we are asking the question means there is a problem in this area. SFIAH I trust him just as much as anyone else that is available. The grass isn't always greener. Once again, if he'd missed the kick badly it would have been another matter. Like I mentioned earlier, hitting the upright could have been because of the timing of a hold as much as anything Grupe did wrong himself. To be honest, I don't think there's any kicker in the league I would completely trust on a kick. None of them are perfect.

11-06-2023, 12:00 PM	#20
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Do we miss Mortan Andersen already? Hate that he went to be a FailClown in his latter years. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he hadn't lost too much accuracy, maybe distance loss. How often is a 60 yarder kicked anyway? Halo, jnormand and K Major like this.