Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better

BakoSaint · 11-16-2023, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

On the missed game-winner before the do-over: I absolutely hated how they managed the clock there and IMO added more pressure to the kick than there should have been. They should have been throwing an incomplete pass/spike on 3rd down to stop the clock. Payton wanted to bring the clock all the way down and not give them the ball back and it almost cost them the game. Doing that makes the odds of the kicker missing the kick much higher as the entire squad is rushing to get the snap and the kick off. I really didn't like how they did that. They should have had a dead ball, had a pressure-free kick, and given the ball back to the Bills with less than 20 seconds and no time-outs. Your odds of making the kick and winning the game are higher in that scenario than the one that played out. What they did only lowered their chances of winning and almost cost them the game IMO.

You are missing one thing. Rushing the kicking team also rushed the defense. In the end, rushing the defense gave Lutz 2 chances to make the kick and improved their chances of winning the game. Had Lutz made the initial attempt, I believe Denver could have declined the 12 man penalty and won. Since Denver missed the kick, Denver accepted the 12 man. Rushing the defense worked. It could be a partial excuse for Lutz’s miss, but I am ok with the coaching decision from Payton. It may increase the chance Lutz misses but that is probably outweighed by taking time off the clock and increasing the chances of a Bill penalty. I guess it could have increased the chance of. Denver penalty too which the Bills could accept or decline depending on whether Denver makes the kick, but if Buffalo accepts a Denver penalty Lutz would get an unrushed but farther kick and the time would still come off the clock.

11-16-2023, 01:40 PM	#34
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,408	Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better Originally Posted by hitta On the missed game-winner before the do-over: I absolutely hated how they managed the clock there and IMO added more pressure to the kick than there should have been. They should have been throwing an incomplete pass/spike on 3rd down to stop the clock. Payton wanted to bring the clock all the way down and not give them the ball back and it almost cost them the game. Doing that makes the odds of the kicker missing the kick much higher as the entire squad is rushing to get the snap and the kick off. I really didn't like how they did that. They should have had a dead ball, had a pressure-free kick, and given the ball back to the Bills with less than 20 seconds and no time-outs. Your odds of making the kick and winning the game are higher in that scenario than the one that played out. What they did only lowered their chances of winning and almost cost them the game IMO. You are missing one thing. Rushing the kicking team also rushed the defense. In the end, rushing the defense gave Lutz 2 chances to make the kick and improved their chances of winning the game. Had Lutz made the initial attempt, I believe Denver could have declined the 12 man penalty and won. Since Denver missed the kick, Denver accepted the 12 man. Rushing the defense worked. It could be a partial excuse for Lutz’s miss, but I am ok with the coaching decision from Payton. It may increase the chance Lutz misses but that is probably outweighed by taking time off the clock and increasing the chances of a Bill penalty. I guess it could have increased the chance of. Denver penalty too which the Bills could accept or decline depending on whether Denver makes the kick, but if Buffalo accepts a Denver penalty Lutz would get an unrushed but farther kick and the time would still come off the clock.
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